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Post by solly on Apr 28, 2021 14:50:20 GMT -5
People use that example. It was a team of balance for sure. Rip learned a lot of lessons from MJ, but to me their best player was Sheed. He was a top 10 player for sure at that moment. They only looked less talented compared to the dis-functional star studded Lakers that they played. Rip, Sheed and Billups were pretty good players. Having said that, supporting Solly’s point, the team got destroyed by LeBron single handedly. Well they just had a short run, but yes Lebron essentially beat them and their run ended by the 08 Celtics. I will not deny this run though, they were a bunch of tough, hard nosed really good players that played well together. But thats literally one team in the history of the league. If we expect that, and our coach to build that then its just not realistic
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2021 14:54:19 GMT -5
They only looked less talented compared to the dis-functional star studded Lakers that they played. Rip, Sheed and Billups were pretty good players. Having said that, supporting Solly’s point, the team got destroyed by LeBron single handedly. He almost beat our big 3 singlehandedly too. Fortunately PP was able to come up w/ a monster game when it counted. Fair enough. He is quite a player. Goes to show what he did in his rookie year and with a team of no names. Special.
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Post by cole on Apr 28, 2021 15:04:02 GMT -5
He almost beat our big 3 singlehandedly too. Fortunately PP was able to come up w/ a monster game when it counted. Fair enough. He is quite a player. Goes to show what he did in his rookie year and with a team of no names. Special. Actually, lebron's rookie year I don't think they made the playoffs and picked up Love in the draft. That year lebron spent the late season out with a foot fracture I think... maybe love came later
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2021 15:14:32 GMT -5
This just such a hard season. The few games that the Celts have been at near full strength, they have been very good. But that has been just a few games. If you include Fournier in the top-8, I don’t believe that we have had our top-8 together for a single game this year. Always excuses.. The Nets and Laker stars missed more games.. Did they lose to a g league team named OKC?
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Post by solly on Apr 28, 2021 15:22:37 GMT -5
Fair enough. He is quite a player. Goes to show what he did in his rookie year and with a team of no names. Special. Actually, lebron's rookie year I don't think they made the playoffs and picked up Love in the draft. That year lebron spent the late season out with a foot fracture I think... maybe love came later That was 06-07, lebrons 4th year I believe. That was a bad team he carried to the finals. Love didn’t go to Cleveland until his 2nd stint back. Unless you’re talking about somebody else
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2021 15:34:34 GMT -5
21 PLAYERS have played in 6 or more games for the Celtics this year.. Got to be a record,,
It's like a revolving door here.Stevens has to be confused any coach would...
If we were a chorus line it would fill up a football field.....
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2021 15:59:20 GMT -5
This just such a hard season. The few games that the Celts have been at near full strength, they have been very good. But that has been just a few games. If you include Fournier in the top-8, I don’t believe that we have had our top-8 together for a single game this year. Always excuses.. The Nets and Laker stars missed more games.. Did they lose to a g league team named OKC? Really? Excuses for what? Care to elaborate? What do you disagree with?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2021 16:00:40 GMT -5
21 PLAYERS have played in 6 or more games for the Celtics this year.. Got to be a record,, It's like a revolving door here.Stevens has to be confused any coach would... If we were a chorus line it would fill up a football field..... So I don't get it. Is Stevens a bad coach, confused or what? Or are you just venting? In that case ignore the question.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2021 16:04:52 GMT -5
Actually, lebron's rookie year I don't think they made the playoffs and picked up Love in the draft. That year lebron spent the late season out with a foot fracture I think... maybe love came later That was 06-07, lebrons 4th year I believe. That was a bad team he carried to the finals. Love didn’t go to Cleveland until his 2nd stint back. Unless you’re talking about somebody else That is correct, I was confused. Yes, given the player that he is, it took him the 4th year to become a dominant player. It was quite an accomplishment, that series. The way he dominated the Pistons.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2021 16:06:20 GMT -5
Fair enough. He is quite a player. Goes to show what he did in his rookie year and with a team of no names. Special. Actually, lebron's rookie year I don't think they made the playoffs and picked up Love in the draft. That year lebron spent the late season out with a foot fracture I think... maybe love came later Love came in the second stint. After LeBron left, the Cavs got a #1 pick (Irving) and then another the year he was to come back. Andrew Wiggins was traded for Love.
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Post by solly on Apr 28, 2021 16:06:54 GMT -5
That was 06-07, lebrons 4th year I believe. That was a bad team he carried to the finals. Love didn’t go to Cleveland until his 2nd stint back. Unless you’re talking about somebody else That is correct, I was confused. Yes, given the player that he is, it took him the 4th year to become a dominant player. It was quite an accomplishment, that series. The way he dominated the Pistons. . Just think and didn’t get back til 2011. 8 years into the league.
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Post by elvissurfs on Apr 28, 2021 16:47:58 GMT -5
They only looked less talented compared to the dis-functional star studded Lakers that they played. Rip, Sheed and Billups were pretty good players. Having said that, supporting Solly’s point, the team got destroyed by LeBron single handedly. He almost beat our big 3 singlehandedly too. Fortunately PP was able to come up w/ a monster game when it counted. PP was not afraid of the spotlight...as I recall, he asked to guard LeQueen in the second half of that game...
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Post by kivancb on Apr 28, 2021 16:49:09 GMT -5
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Post by billge on Apr 28, 2021 17:14:46 GMT -5
That is a shame , Shams. Nine times Smart was about to drive to the hoop, and the ref got in his way, so he had to shoot a three. That totally accounts for his one for ten from three. And several other times the ref screened Smart allowing his man to go to the basket. The fix is in I tell ya.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2021 17:39:25 GMT -5
21 PLAYERS have played in 6 or more games for the Celtics this year.. Got to be a record,, It's like a revolving door here.Stevens has to be confused any coach would... If we were a chorus line it would fill up a football field..... So I don't get it. Is Stevens a bad coach, confused or what? Or are you just venting? In that case ignore the question. ya know i'm not sure.. I do know this has and will be a wasted season all around.. I like the man sometimes my opinion is mixed for reasons other than basketball.. He's most likely a decent person and seems alined with me politically. Sometimes i let this cloud my opinion of people both ways. Not sayin it fair or has anything to do with bball just being honest. What concerns me.. He seems to play small ball three point shooting exteam with any lack of a post game or fast break He himself admitted he was outcoached last week. . He also seems to have no issue playing with 6'0'' shooting guards and one trick ponies. I like Smart for instance but i would never never encourage him to shoot threes,, I'm not convinced he has the personal to contend for that matter I am convinced we have a better team than what our record reflects.. I blame Ainge a lot more but it seems only Boss and a couple others share that opinion.. The top headine here is ax Stevens at the moment.. Just curious.. You haven't laid blame to either in 3 years.. Have a valid reason tell me We may come to an understanding..
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2021 17:46:35 GMT -5
That is a shame , Shams. Nine times Smart was about to drive to the hoop, and the ref got in his way, so he had to shoot a three. That totally accounts for his one for ten from three. And several other times the ref screened Smart allowing his man to go to the basket. The fix is in I tell ya. Here is a man who is brutely honest.. No silly excuses .. Whining about the refs is silly.. For the most part they are incompetent both ways.. The fix is in? Watching too many old Mafia flicks about boxing in 1930.
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Post by Admin on Apr 28, 2021 17:52:52 GMT -5
Sorry but none of them have players like Tatum or JB. Not overvaluing those two but boy, they are amongst the best duos out there. ..what floor leadership?? Stevens does not even believe in having a captain for the team. Thats how defragmented this team is under his "leadership". Well we can claim JT and JB are a dynamic duo, but compared to the rest of the league they arent. They arent amongst the best players in the league imo, theyre talented young players that clearly arent ready to lead a team. Kerr has one of the 4 or 5 best players in basketball and probably the MVP of the league also. Shouldnt these coaches be able to motivate their players if they are that good? If youre going to tell me they dont have the players, then I agree. The league revolves around the players, and right now the Celtics players are a little overrated and certainly are not leaders on the floor. The floor leadership comes from the players. Pierce was a lazy quitter under Doc, KG comes and all of a sudden he does the little things under a championship team. Do you believe that was Doc? Thats why theres a player heirarchy in the league. Some are true Alphas and some arent. JB and JT are not
... and that's why Ainge brought back Antoine. Once he traded Walker, he realized Pierce was no floor leader and reacquired Antoine.
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Post by solly on Apr 28, 2021 17:56:57 GMT -5
Well we can claim JT and JB are a dynamic duo, but compared to the rest of the league they arent. They arent amongst the best players in the league imo, theyre talented young players that clearly arent ready to lead a team. Kerr has one of the 4 or 5 best players in basketball and probably the MVP of the league also. Shouldnt these coaches be able to motivate their players if they are that good? If youre going to tell me they dont have the players, then I agree. The league revolves around the players, and right now the Celtics players are a little overrated and certainly are not leaders on the floor. The floor leadership comes from the players. Pierce was a lazy quitter under Doc, KG comes and all of a sudden he does the little things under a championship team. Do you believe that was Doc? Thats why theres a player heirarchy in the league. Some are true Alphas and some arent. JB and JT are not
... and that's why Ainge brought back Antoine. Once he traded Walker, he realized Pierce was no floor leader and reacquired Antoine.
Neither were leaders, the Celtics needed KG to lead them
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Post by sfbosfan on Apr 28, 2021 18:04:43 GMT -5
He almost beat our big 3 singlehandedly too. Fortunately PP was able to come up w/ a monster game when it counted. Fair enough. He is quite a player. Goes to show what he did in his rookie year and with a team of no names. Special. LeBron has owned us! He is the reason Cleveland, Miami & the Lakers have won championships with 1-2 other super stars. Davis is the current one. And he has had his way with the Celtics. Only time we beat him was in 2008 Easternfinals and it took us 7 games vs. Cleveland and we had 3 Stars…KG, PP, & Allen. And he still fought like hell almost alone as in game 7 he scored 45 points.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2021 18:19:16 GMT -5
So I don't get it. Is Stevens a bad coach, confused or what? Or are you just venting? In that case ignore the question. ya know i'm not sure.. I do know this has and will be a wasted season all around.. I like the man sometimes my opinion is mixed for reasons other than basketball.. He's most likely a decent person and seems alined with me politically. Sometimes i let this cloud my opinion of people both ways. Not sayin it fair or has anything to do with bball just being honest. What concerns me.. He seems to play small ball three point shooting exteam with any lack of a post game or fast break He himself admitted he was outcoached last week. . He also seems to have no issue playing with 6'0'' shooting guards and one trick ponies. I like Smart for instance but i would never never encourage him to shoot threes,, I'm not convinced he has the personal to contend for that matter I am convinced we have a better team than what our record reflects.. I blame Ainge a lot more but it seems only Boss and a couple others share that opinion.. The top headine here is ax Stevens at the moment.. Just curious.. You haven't laid blame to either in 3 years.. Have a valid reason tell me We may come to an understanding.. Regarding blame: 1) Danny: I don’t blame him. This is a competitive league and nobody will just help you. He played his hand and did not get outplayed. Instead, he got very unlucky. The carefully laid out plan to get Durant fizzled when the salary cap unexpectedly went up by an amount that enabled GS to get him. The signing of Hayward was the right signing. Then he suffered that injury. It derailed every thing. From increased roles for Js leading to the conflict with Kyrie, to Kyrie’s departure. Hayward was not going to stay here in a reduced role. Yes, he did not pull the trigger on the trade with Indy but I am not sold that the trade would have helped. There will be no RWill development and the team will still not be a contender. The only issue is see is Kemba signing. In a competitive league you are exposed to hostile moves. Philly signed Horford to a crazy contract and then were able to dump him for just a 1st. Horford, on a decent contract, would have been a perfect fit here. Danny has got free agents to come here, has drafted well but ran short of luck to get over the hump. 2) Brad: He is what he is. A basketball specialist who is not a Phil Jackson at pressing buttons. I see him as someone who has always maximized what he has if he gets the players buy in. In 2018-19, he lost the locker room. The Celts did not really have injuries or other redeeming factors. In 20-21, it has been crazy, just the number of issues that have needed to be juggled. Still, we should be happy about RWill’s emergence and PP finding his feet. I look at the few games that the Celts have been complete and say that they were very good. So Brad’s plan is not at fault. So there must be other factors. I believe that if the players are already uncomfortable because of internal issues, it is easier for the other team to make them more uncomfortable. Overall, the Celts have embraced youth movement right now along with a sprinkling of older players. We have no choice. Wait for the Js, RWill, Langford, Nesmith, PP and such to grow a bit. Need to do something about Kemba and find a 4. While that happens, deal with the bipolar Celts of 20-21.
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Post by Admin on Apr 28, 2021 18:20:41 GMT -5
... and that's why Ainge brought back Antoine. Once he traded Walker, he realized Pierce was no floor leader and reacquired Antoine.
Neither were leaders, the Celtics needed KG to lead them
I was in the Garden when Toine got in Pierce's grill and lambasted him for giving up ... after telling him all was not lost they made the biggest comeback in NBA history to beat the Nets. It was Toine who faced the reporters each night ... not Pierce. Toine was the leader on and off the court always taking the high road and excepting blame for losses to deflect from his teammates ... A class act and he bled green!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2021 18:31:52 GMT -5
I have said this before and I will say it again, lets not forget the concept of single point of failure. Highest success comes when everything fits.
KG, was the same KG in Minny. But Minny was not a success. Toine may have been a leader but he was no KG as a player. Add KG to Ray Allen and Paul Pierce and now you have something special. Add to that a brilliant, young Rondo and James Posey and you have eliminated almost all single point of failures. Add to that an injury to Bynum and it gets golden. This is when we were at our luckiest best.
Then Posey gets poached. KG gets hurt.
Then, we get Sheed and are complete again. We go up against a complete Lakers team. Perk blows his knee in game 6. That was heartbreaking unlucky.
You take away a small element and things fail.
We have the current Celts, a young lot. Inconsistent but promising. Lets see what they grow into.
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Post by quagmire on Apr 28, 2021 18:32:19 GMT -5
Neither were leaders, the Celtics needed KG to lead them
I was in the Garden when Toine got in Pierce's grill and lambasted him for giving up ... after telling him all was not lost they made the biggest comeback in NBA history to beat the Nets. It was Toine who faced the reporters each night ... not Pierce. Toine was the leader on and off the court always taking the high road and excepting blame for losses to deflect from his teammates ... A class act and he bled green!
and don’t forget “the truth’s” nightclub incident, and when it went to trial he conveniently “forgot” who stabbed him. He was scared and gutless. Hope that guy that stabbed him and walked did not kill anyone since then. The nickname “the truth” is quite an oxymoron.
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Post by Admin on Apr 28, 2021 18:37:15 GMT -5
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Post by kyceltic on Apr 28, 2021 18:37:34 GMT -5
Neither were leaders, the Celtics needed KG to lead them
I was in the Garden when Toine got in Pierce's grill and lambasted him for giving up ... after telling him all was not lost they made the biggest comeback in NBA history to beat the Nets. It was Toine who faced the reporters each night ... not Pierce. Toine was the leader on and off the court always taking the high road and excepting blame for losses to deflect from his teammates ... A class act and he bled green!
Yes sir!!
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