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Post by DaCeltics on Feb 3, 2021 14:54:07 GMT -5
Id pay for Vooch becuase he is a scorer who happens to play C. Very few other C's Id pay for. It'd be more considerate to trade Kemba to Orlando Florida anyways! Lol
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Post by drewski6 on Feb 3, 2021 15:00:19 GMT -5
But Im kinda talking myself into Vooch here. Cuz he can score inside, he can score outside. And you still have enough defense with Brown, Tatum and Smart on the team.
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Post by drewski6 on Feb 3, 2021 15:02:41 GMT -5
Id pay for Vooch becuase he is a scorer who happens to play C. Very few other C's Id pay for. It'd be more considerate to trade Kemba to Orlando Florida anyways! Lol Less humidity would prob help his knee. But Vooch fits in the TPE and I dont think Kemba has much trade value at the moment. So I dont think it would be him in the trade. I honestly dont know what you could give up to get Orlando to part with Vooch, so he's prob a pipe dream. This is prob how that convo goes "well, youre not getting vooch unless you are willing to give up brown, sooo....." "well, we're not willing to give up brown, soooo ....." "well, youre not getting vooch unless you are willing to give up brown, sooo....." "well, we're not willing to give up brown, soooo ....." "well, youre not getting vooch unless you are willing to give up brown, sooo....." "well, we're not willing to give up brown, soooo ....."
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Post by hedleylamarr on Feb 3, 2021 15:05:01 GMT -5
So glad people are still talking about what I've been saying all along. He should have pulled the trigger on Turner and McD. He didn't, now we are looking for more scoring. We don't "need" Turner, but then we could have use our MLE on a better scoring option than Thompson. Several were out there. NOW we are left with a big hole in our offense, serviceable Centers, and a large wait-and-see TPE that could turn into nothing.
THIS was supposed to be our year. FOUR scorers on the floor, rev up the bench, and let's go. When people are greedy, and stiff us, it may take a year to recover.......so screw him.
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Post by drewski6 on Feb 3, 2021 15:06:08 GMT -5
So glad people are still talking about what I've been saying all along. He should have pulled the trigger on Turner and McD. He didn't, now we are looking for more scoring. We don't "need" Turner, but then we could have use our MLE on a better scoring option than Thompson. Several were out there. NOW we are left with a big hole in our offense, serviceable Centers, and a large wait-and-see TPE that could turn into nothing. THIS was supposed to be our year. FOUR scorers on the floor, rev up the bench, and let's go. When people are greedy, and stiff us, it may take a year to recover.......so screw him. Pigs get slaughtered.
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Post by drewski6 on Feb 3, 2021 15:06:32 GMT -5
I think there are a few stock market traders who learned that this week.
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Post by petey62 on Feb 3, 2021 15:19:05 GMT -5
Who knows, maybe TT will catch fire and be the double-double machine he was for the past two seasons in Cleveland. Maybe, as some have hinted, he'll be that person come playoff time.
What we do know is, right now, even for what we're paying him, we're not getting what we expected from TT. But honestly that's okay, because, we just may have to play center by committee.
Yesterday, Curry got his but we locked down everyone else. If that's Embiid for Philly or Giannis for Milwaukee or even Durant for Brooklyn, but we keep the other players in check (or go bucket for bucket vs BKN's horrible defense), I think we'll be okay if we got another scorer and/or solid one or two players off the bench.
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Post by kyceltic on Feb 3, 2021 15:23:25 GMT -5
I think you guys are under valuing Turner! He can play both center or power forward! He spaces the floor, he can guard almost any position, he blocks shots, he makes people change shots! Then you add McDermott, a proven scorer off the bench! That would have been a hell of a deal for us, instead we have Teague and Thompson and a TPE, that so far hasn't scored a point or gotten a rebound!!
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Post by kyceltic on Feb 3, 2021 15:28:06 GMT -5
A lineup of Kemba, Brown, Tatum,Turner and Theis, in my opinion if would be hard to beat!!
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Post by kyceltic on Feb 3, 2021 15:30:00 GMT -5
Kemba and Pritchard both out!!
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Post by petey62 on Feb 3, 2021 15:43:24 GMT -5
Temont, JB, JT, Semi and Theis.....
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Post by solly on Feb 3, 2021 15:54:23 GMT -5
So glad people are still talking about what I've been saying all along. He should have pulled the trigger on Turner and McD. He didn't, now we are looking for more scoring. We don't "need" Turner, but then we could have use our MLE on a better scoring option than Thompson. Several were out there. NOW we are left with a big hole in our offense, serviceable Centers, and a large wait-and-see TPE that could turn into nothing. THIS was supposed to be our year. FOUR scorers on the floor, rev up the bench, and let's go. When people are greedy, and stiff us, it may take a year to recover.......so screw him. I agree with wanting turner in the trade. Just disagree on it being the Celtics year. Their best players are still so young that their time is coming, imo it’s just too early in their development yet though
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Post by drewski6 on Feb 3, 2021 16:51:24 GMT -5
Who knows, maybe TT will catch fire and be the double-double machine he was for the past two seasons in Cleveland. Maybe, as some have hinted, he'll be that person come playoff time. What we do know is, right now, even for what we're paying him, we're not getting what we expected from TT. But honestly that's okay, because, we just may have to play center by committee. Yesterday, Curry got his but we locked down everyone else. If that's Embiid for Philly or Giannis for Milwaukee or even Durant for Brooklyn, but we keep the other players in check (or go bucket for bucket vs BKN's horrible defense), I think we'll be okay if we got another scorer and/or solid one or two players off the bench. Especially in Embiids case where his 30-40 pt games come so inefficiently. You can just let him get his and score at a higher clip. Smart picks his pocket or we intercept the entry pass on like 20% of his touches or would be touches (for when the ball never gets to him). Then his fg% around the rim isnt great and you can draw a foul on him. He just doesnt scare me.
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Post by hedleylamarr on Feb 3, 2021 16:54:25 GMT -5
So glad people are still talking about what I've been saying all along. He should have pulled the trigger on Turner and McD. He didn't, now we are looking for more scoring. We don't "need" Turner, but then we could have use our MLE on a better scoring option than Thompson. Several were out there. NOW we are left with a big hole in our offense, serviceable Centers, and a large wait-and-see TPE that could turn into nothing. THIS was supposed to be our year. FOUR scorers on the floor, rev up the bench, and let's go. When people are greedy, and stiff us, it may take a year to recover.......so screw him. I agree with wanting turner in the trade. Just disagree on it being the Celtics year. Their best players are still so young that their time is coming, imo it’s just too early in their development yet though well, we were two games away from the Finals last year, with two of our best players hurt. I think, until the Nets got Harden, that with Kemba, Brown, asshole, Tatum, Theis, Teague, McBuckets, Pritchard...and one other signing, or development of Semi, Nesmith, Romeo........we could have made the Finals. Again, this was before the Harden trade.....just my opinion.
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Post by drewski6 on Feb 3, 2021 16:54:33 GMT -5
A lineup of Kemba, Brown, Tatum,Turner and Theis, in my opinion if would be hard to beat!! I dont think there is much of a point of having Theis out there when you have Turner. Playing Turner at PF is like taking an MLB Catcher and playing them at first base. You can, but why? Turners value is that he is a good player for a center. Kind of like how catchers are good hitters for a catcher. When you take them out of that poisition, you zap their value. Turner is prob a top 10 Center in the lague. He is not a top 30 PF in the league.
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Post by drewski6 on Feb 3, 2021 16:55:59 GMT -5
But I will concede that Turner would be a clear upgrade to Theis and Thompson.
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Post by drewski6 on Feb 3, 2021 16:57:36 GMT -5
"Go stand under the basket because you suck at everything other than being tall" - how centers become centers "Youre tall, but you are also so much more than that. You can shift, stay in front of a slasher, score from multiple levels, defend multiple positions. We want you to do more than just stand under the basket" - how PFs become PFs.
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Post by drewski6 on Feb 3, 2021 16:59:21 GMT -5
A power forward is what you call a center who doesnt suck*
*A few exceptions apply
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Post by solly on Feb 3, 2021 17:00:22 GMT -5
I agree with wanting turner in the trade. Just disagree on it being the Celtics year. Their best players are still so young that their time is coming, imo it’s just too early in their development yet though well, we were two games away from the Finals last year, with two of our best players hurt. I think, until the Nets got Harden, that with Kemba, Brown, asshole, Tatum, Theis, Teague, McBuckets, Pritchard...and one other signing, or development of Semi, Nesmith, Romeo........we could have made the Finals. Again, this was before the Harden trade.....just my opinion. Ya anything couldve happened for sure, but it was definitely a weird year as well with the bubble. They faced Philly with no Simmons, and didnt need to face MIL and then got beat by a team they were better than realistically. Regardless of how close they are/were, I dont think a team led by two guys who are this young are ready to win a championship. But the good news is that they are this good this young, and hope they reach an even higher ceiling in the future. I just think its a stretch to say its their year for the near future. They still have to go through Lebron/AD, Giannis, KD/Harden/Kyrie, Possibly Kawhi all in their primes. Its just a lot to ask for young players.
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Post by drewski6 on Feb 3, 2021 17:01:30 GMT -5
well, we were two games away from the Finals last year, with two of our best players hurt. I think, until the Nets got Harden, that with Kemba, Brown, asshole, Tatum, Theis, Teague, McBuckets, Pritchard...and one other signing, or development of Semi, Nesmith, Romeo........we could have made the Finals. Again, this was before the Harden trade.....just my opinion. Ya anything couldve happened for sure, but it was definitely a weird year as well with the bubble. They faced Philly with no Simmons, and didnt need to face MIL and then got beat by a team they were better than realistically. Regardless of how close they are/were, I dont think a team led by two guys who are this young are ready to win a championship. But the good news is that they are this good this young, and hope they reach an even higher ceiling in the future. I just think its a stretch to say its their year for the near future. They still have to go through Lebron/AD, Giannis, KD/Harden/Kyrie, Possibly Kawhi all in their primes. Its just a lot to ask for young players. I think Jaylen is ready, Tatum needs another year. But guess what? That year might be this year. Because he gets better every game.
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Post by drewski6 on Feb 3, 2021 17:02:22 GMT -5
But I disagree Solly. I think this team is very very capable of winning it all. I think we are legit title contenders. I also think Jaylen Brown could beat MJ one on one.
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Post by drewski6 on Feb 3, 2021 17:05:22 GMT -5
We just wont know until the playoffs. Regular season Brown/Tatum I think can win it all. I think they lose themselves a bit in big playoff moments. We wont know when theyve gotten enough playoff experience to turn the corner until they do. But they both kind of start forcing stuff when a critical bucket is needed in a playoff game. I think its a lack of playoff experience. I hope it is in the past. I think it could be in the past (but dont know definitively at current moment). I think if it is in the past, we are vey much a legit contender.
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Post by hedleylamarr on Feb 3, 2021 17:08:42 GMT -5
well, we were two games away from the Finals last year, with two of our best players hurt. I think, until the Nets got Harden, that with Kemba, Brown, asshole, Tatum, Theis, Teague, McBuckets, Pritchard...and one other signing, or development of Semi, Nesmith, Romeo........we could have made the Finals. Again, this was before the Harden trade.....just my opinion. Ya anything couldve happened for sure, but it was definitely a weird year as well with the bubble. They faced Philly with no Simmons, and didnt need to face MIL and then got beat by a team they were better than realistically. Regardless of how close they are/were, I dont think a team led by two guys who are this young are ready to win a championship. But the good news is that they are this good this young, and hope they reach an even higher ceiling in the future. I just think its a stretch to say its their year for the near future. They still have to go through Lebron/AD, Giannis, KD/Harden/Kyrie, Possibly Kawhi all in their primes. Its just a lot to ask for young players. I just think keeping that salary spot open to get someone who can help them in the future is very important. If they lose the TPE, then they will be hard pressed to get someone (Barnes) to come in here. It's also why I think they "have to" trade Kemba before his contract is up. Brown and Tatum will be making a ton of money for the next 5 years.......we need one more player to help them. He's in CHA now, or at least his salary is........
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Post by solly on Feb 3, 2021 17:10:39 GMT -5
We just wont know until the playoffs. Regular season Brown/Tatum I think can win it all. I think they lose themselves a bit in big playoff moments. We wont know when theyve gotten enough playoff experience to turn the corner until they do. But they both kind of start forcing stuff when a critical bucket is needed in a playoff game. I think its a lack of playoff experience. I hope it was in the past. I think it could be in the past (but dont know definitively at current moment). I think if it is in the past, we are vey much a legit contender. I agree with a majority of this. Its just experience and development. Young players just do not win in this league. It will be their time to dominate the league one day, just that this day is not now. Their improvement from last to this year has already been great, but like you said we really wont see how great the improvements are until the playoffs...and imo deep in the playoffs
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Post by solly on Feb 3, 2021 17:11:52 GMT -5
Ya anything couldve happened for sure, but it was definitely a weird year as well with the bubble. They faced Philly with no Simmons, and didnt need to face MIL and then got beat by a team they were better than realistically. Regardless of how close they are/were, I dont think a team led by two guys who are this young are ready to win a championship. But the good news is that they are this good this young, and hope they reach an even higher ceiling in the future. I just think its a stretch to say its their year for the near future. They still have to go through Lebron/AD, Giannis, KD/Harden/Kyrie, Possibly Kawhi all in their primes. Its just a lot to ask for young players. I just think keeping that salary spot open to get someone who can help them in the future is very important. If they lose the TPE, then they will be hard pressed to get someone (Barnes) to come in here. It's also why I think they "have to" trade Kemba before his contract is up. Brown and Tatum will be making a ton of money for the next 5 years.......we need one more player to help them. He's in CHA now, or at least his salary is........ Oh I agree, im all on board obviously needing to use that. And we agree, I wouldve done the turner/mcdermott deal in a heartbeat
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