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Post by hedleylamarr on Sept 24, 2020 13:50:19 GMT -5
Wow. The Warriors have a 17.2 Mill TPE......there are many players they could look at. I don't see Kemba or Hayward going anywhere, and they'd be nuts to trade JB or JT.....it would have to be Smart, and a pick, or another player. They could just absorb him right into their cap, no problem. Smart would shoot "well enough", to make GSW a dangerous team next year. I don't want to trade the guy, but this is a really nice deal, and we could always shop the pick. Maybe the Clips would like Ball? I'm leery of the guy because of his Dad (Lakers fan, doesn't want to play for Celtics, Brian Shaw......). Now, if we could get Lou Williams, and then sign a vet like Morris or Harrell?? We'd be in business. For the record, I'm not sure anyone in this draft could help us right now, and I love Smart. BUT...............
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Post by Cabutan on Sept 24, 2020 14:20:18 GMT -5
People here tripping on trading Smart when he has done more than JT and JB. Trade JT or JB and acquire role players. Or even kemba. Send one of those three packing and assemble a team, a complete team with a decent bench. We need more role players, not more stars. This has all been BS. Lets face it, this team is soft and you want to trade our only feisty guy? Cant be serious. The worst part of it all is Toronto probably would have had Miami facing elimination by now. I seriously thought we had turned the corner with that first round sweep but nah. Same team as regular season. Inconsistent and soft with a soft coach. No sugarcoating in my words.
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Post by kyceltic on Sept 24, 2020 14:21:09 GMT -5
I'll tell you what I'm gonna do, if the Warriors trade the 2nd pick for Smart, Elvis will leave the board for a year!!
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Post by cole on Sept 24, 2020 14:25:20 GMT -5
Kemba and Smart to OKC for a year of CP3 and maybe Noel?
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Post by kyceltic on Sept 24, 2020 14:25:38 GMT -5
You can't win with a motherfu#### like Smart on your team! I can't believe some people would talk about our Celtics like that!! Disgraceful!!
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Post by kyceltic on Sept 24, 2020 14:27:44 GMT -5
Kemba and Smart to OKC for a year of CP3 and maybe Noel? As Dee would say, one midget for another! We would be getting rid of Smart though, and Noel shoots just as good!!
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Post by Cabutan on Sept 24, 2020 14:28:31 GMT -5
I seriously cant believe bs has not given Kanter a chance specially with the stats supporting that he does a better job on adebayo than theis. Then we bitch about not having a center. We have a center, we just dont have a coach that believes in the center position. So last nite adebayo sits because he is hurting, miami goes small ball and what does stevens do? Goes small ball as well. And we couldnt rebound a nut. A bit outcoached if you ask me.
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Post by drewski6 on Sept 24, 2020 15:30:13 GMT -5
^ this is kind of why Im hesitant to trade up and draft Wiseman or trade for a true C. Im not sure we would even play him.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2020 15:47:05 GMT -5
Kemba and Smart to OKC for a year of CP3 and maybe Noel? As Dee would say, one midget for another! We would be getting rid of Smart though, and Noel shoots just as good!! I would jump on that if Paul has only one year . He is a better distributor that Walker. Noel would improve our front court provide some rim protection... 41 mil for Paul? Not going to work money wise is it....?
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Post by hedleylamarr on Sept 24, 2020 16:09:20 GMT -5
No on Chris Paul No on Paul George No on Chris George..........see what I did there?
Yes on John, Paul, George and Ringo!
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Post by petey62 on Sept 24, 2020 16:10:45 GMT -5
They would be acquiring a first team All Defense player in Smart. The All Defensive Player did a fine job shutting down Herro last night. Has he shut down any player in this series? Nah The All Flopper Player is a more fitting description.... Actually he did a decent job on Dragic last night, as he did in game 3. No doubt he's an all time flopper but, in spite of that, he is still a first team all defensive player. Smart takes horrible shots, makes terrible decisions on offense AND defense, is a huge flopper, oftentimes plays undisciplined BUT HE'S A FIRST TEAM ALL DEFENSIVE PLAYER.
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Post by hedleylamarr on Sept 24, 2020 16:12:03 GMT -5
^ this is kind of why Im hesitant to trade up and draft Wiseman or trade for a true C. Im not sure we would even play him. Or we could trade the pick. Theis and RWill are a nice combo. We also have: Kanter GWill Poirier Fall Unfortunately, none of them can become a reliable 3 pt shooter. Edwards, Semi, and maybe Romeo were supposed to fill that void...........but none of them delivered. I'm over Semi, and Edwards gets one more year. Romeo? Hurt all year, hard to judge. Next year is key for both he and RWill.
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Post by hedleylamarr on Sept 24, 2020 16:13:29 GMT -5
They would be acquiring a first team All Defense player in Smart. The All Defensive Player did a fine job shutting down Herro last night. Has he shut down any player in this series? Nah The All Flopper Player is a more fitting description.... Actually he did a decent job on Dragic last night, as he did in game 3. No doubt he's an all time flopper but, in spite of that, he is still a first team all defensive player. Smart takes horrible shots, makes terrible decisions on offense AND defense, is a huge flopper, oftentimes plays undisciplined BUT HE'S A FIRST TEAM ALL DEFENSIVE PLAYER. Agree. He gets his minutes because of what he does on D. And because of the way he plays D, Brad gives him free reign on O. Too much? Maybe. Dragic flops, too. For the record
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Post by Admin on Sept 24, 2020 17:38:38 GMT -5
I cannot agree with you more on Smart. But I don't think the outcome of this series should impact any offseason moves we make.But I agree that Smart is not the right leader for this team. Smart is a role player who plays HALF his role exceptionally and the other half far too inconsistently. Smart is a true fighter but I honestly believe he could be more efficient offensively if he just stayed in his lane more and stopped relying on the 3-point shot. He takes so many that some go in and that clouds his judgement into taking more. It all balances out. Smart SHOULD NOT be one of the Celtics leaders in 3-point shot attempts. If he was confronted about his shot selection after the game 2 loss, I cannot believe he would continue to jack up shots including the one he took in the 4th last night. If we could replace Smart with a player who could get 12-15 points a game EFFICIENTLY, maybe even a sniper, who hustles and plays smart defense, we'll be fine. The locker room fight between Brown and Smart ended up helping the Celts. I don't know if something like that happens again it will still end up having the same positive effect. Here's the problem with the Celts since last January, their best 5 is just too small. It has to be Hayward or Smart, can't have both as it's a case of the law of diminishing returns. Celts didn't need a quality Center before this Heat series. But like what you said, Theis is not good enough. Imagine if the Celts had a guy like Drummond. Drummond is really not a good defensive player, but he's better than Kanter and he's a very good shot-blocker. Adebayo will be no match for Drummond inside. The Celts just don't have that inside presence to prevent Miami from using zone. Even a Tristan Thompson would be good enough to keep Adebayo in check on offense and defense. Celts won the rebounding battle but they gave the Heat a lot of 2nd chances in the 4th. T he next best thing would've been Bertans.
If Ainge only traded the picks for Bertans, the Heat would pay for going zone.
Ainge is playing the long game. That's why he didn't make any moves. Clearly Ainge didn't think this Celts team would be in the east finals.
I also didn't think this Celts team could beat the Bucks. Nobody expected the Bucks would lose to the Heat.
Danny had two chances to improve this team. Last draft he had the ammo to get the ONE PLAYER HE WANTED in round 1 but refused to give up his extra picks to move up and make sure to get that player ... HERRO.
To make matters worse, he raved about Herro so much to the local media that his hated competitor, Riley, drafting just ahead of Boston takes his guy! What the hell is wrong with Ainge? Did he think Riles wouldn't enjoy sticking the knife in and now twisting it in this series? Who else would train a team to accept a hot shooter in the ECF taking the lead role regardless of his rookie status ... Riley & Butler no doubt. Spo, maybe but this comes from leadership either on the court (that's humble - do the C's have that?) or in the front office.
And as you said, he had a 2nd chance to get Bertans for 2 FRDPs but coveted those picks too much ... who were they? GWill was one and if I recall right the last 1st was traded away for future pick. All we ended up with were an often injured Romeo and an undersized, aggressive, high IQ little big man with limited offense to date in GWill.
Finally, it's Danny's job to figure out how to win if we get there and what he can do to help the team get there. Not predetermine what our chances of winning the whole thing are and making or not making moves based on presumptions!
With so many trams missing players due to the "Crona," this was that oddball opportunity to steal a Championship. How could your GM underestimate his chances and the opportunity in front of him given the extra time his injured players got to get well?
Danny is doing a poor job if you consider these lapses after having great success with previous trades and draft picks. He's lost his good Karma ... he's no longer "Trader Dan." He's turned into "Achy Breaky Heart Ainge" ever since his heart attack/s. He's mellowed either with age or a result of those heart problems. Not sure which but he's lost his killer instinct edge.
And "Even Stevens" is no help in that regard. He lets his players disregard his instructions to score in the paint and watcjes as they fire up lazy threes at the worse possible moments in a game. They have broken the zone just once in 4 tries now ... smart coach my ASS!
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Post by Admin on Sept 24, 2020 18:06:49 GMT -5
Terrible shots they may be, he was the only one blocking out and the only one who hit the ground for that loose ball or any loose ball that I can remember That's also the reason why Smart could get you the #2 pick. The problem is one has to go, Hayward or Smart. Celts are just too small if the best 5 is Tatum, Brown, Hayward, Kemba, and Smart.
Trade Kemba and picks for #2 and Lou Williams. Some $ matching of expiring contract/s fro GSW would be needed as well but getting Kemba instead of Smart may help both teams.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2020 19:08:54 GMT -5
They would be acquiring a first team All Defense player in Smart. The All Defensive Player did a fine job shutting down Herro last night. Has he shut down any player in this series? Nah The All Flopper Player is a more fitting description.... Actually he did a decent job on Dragic last night, as he did in game 3. No doubt he's an all time flopper but, in spite of that, he is still a first team all defensive player. Smart takes horrible shots, makes terrible decisions on offense AND defense, is a huge flopper, oftentimes plays undisciplined BUT HE'S A FIRST TEAM ALL DEFENSIVE PLAYER. Dragic only got 22 . Smart got 10 + 12 FOR Dragic. If all the matchups were like that we would have lost by 60 or more........
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2020 19:11:15 GMT -5
That's also the reason why Smart could get you the #2 pick. The problem is one has to go, Hayward or Smart. Celts are just too small if the best 5 is Tatum, Brown, Hayward, Kemba, and Smart.
Trade Kemba and picks for #2 and Lou Williams. Some $ matching of expiring contract/s fro GSW would be needed as well but getting Kemba instead of Smart may help both teams.
Best odds yet give ya that...... I still don't think they bite still not with the 2 pic.........
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Post by elvissurfs on Sept 24, 2020 20:49:18 GMT -5
I think that Hayward will be starting the next game and Marcus will be tasked with getting his claws into Herro. I think that Brad will give a good bit of play-making responsibility to Hayward and ask Tatum to focus more on scoring. Just my speculation. SF...good job on posting the big crazy thumbs up emoji guy...how tech savy you are...got no idea how you did it...but we are learning this stuff bit by bit...
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Post by elvissurfs on Sept 24, 2020 21:15:30 GMT -5
That's also the reason why Smart could get you the #2 pick. The problem is one has to go, Hayward or Smart. Celts are just too small if the best 5 is Tatum, Brown, Hayward, Kemba, and Smart.
Trade Kemba and picks for #2 and Lou Williams. Some $ matching of expiring contract/s fro GSW would be needed as well but getting Kemba instead of Smart may help both teams.
Heck I would trade Kemba for a bag of balls...
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Post by elvissurfs on Sept 24, 2020 21:16:31 GMT -5
I'll tell you what I'm gonna do, if the Warriors trade the 2nd pick for Smart, Elvis will leave the board for a year!! And I would trade KY for the bag to put the balls in for the Kemba trade...
And I would forget about KY except that he continues to attack me because he is a Trumpster/Quagmire devotee...
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Post by Admin on Sept 24, 2020 21:25:35 GMT -5
Trade Kemba and picks for #2 and Lou Williams. Some $ matching of expiring contract/s fro GSW would be needed as well but getting Kemba instead of Smart may help both teams.
Best odds yet give ya that...... I still don't think they bite still not with the 2 pic......... That didn't come out right ... let me try again.
Trade Smart for GSW #2 and Kemba/Picks for LAC Lou Williams. Some $ matching of contract/s between LAC/BOS/GSW would be needed as well but LAC getting Kemba (more offense/spacing) and GSW getting Smart may help both teams. Smart & Poirier > GSW for #2pick McGruder > GSW from LAC Kemba, Ojeleye, Green & 3 Picks > LAC for Beverley, Lou Will, Shamet & Kabengele Despite the "Fail" on ESPN Trade Machine, I think this works because GS has a $17MM Trade Exception. Celtics may be getting too much considering the #2 pick but that could go to LAC in lieu of all 3 of our FRDPs ... keep #14. www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yys9d5hv
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Post by sfbosfan on Sept 24, 2020 21:46:30 GMT -5
So far very frustrating watching Denver trying to catch up to the Lakers. They got within 5 and then LA gets to 1o and they swap baskets. Just as well, perhaps, we don’t meet LA. Would hate to lose to Them, LeBron & Rondo who 10 years ago in the 7th game finals vs LA did not have a terrific game. YA, know, maybe we should have kept him the past 10 years. As I recall he was not a good 3 pts shooter and foul shot shooter. But doesn’t need be now with Davis & LeBron & can just assist and be valuable.
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Post by elvissurfs on Sept 24, 2020 23:02:40 GMT -5
So far very frustrating watching Denver trying to catch up to the Lakers. They got within 5 and then LA gets to 1o and they swap baskets. Just as well, perhaps, we don’t meet LA. Would hate to lose to Them, LeBron & Rondo who 10 years ago in the 7th game finals vs LA did not have a terrific game. YA, know, maybe we should have kept him the past 10 years. As I recall he was not a good 3 pts shooter and foul shot shooter. But doesn’t need be now with Davis & LeBron & can just assist and be valuable. Sorry to say but I think it is a done deal...LeQueen wins in the corona year...which is why I did not want this supposed 'season' to happen...prove me wrong and I will be ecstatic...
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Post by fierce on Sept 25, 2020 2:49:54 GMT -5
That's also the reason why Smart could get you the #2 pick. The problem is one has to go, Hayward or Smart. Celts are just too small if the best 5 is Tatum, Brown, Hayward, Kemba, and Smart.
Trade Kemba and picks for #2 and Lou Williams. Some $ matching of expiring contract/s fro GSW would be needed as well but getting Kemba instead of Smart may help both teams.
That's not a major upgrade. In fact, that's a step back as Lou Williams is 3 years older than Kemba. The reason why we trade Smart for the #2 pick is so that the Celts can draft Ball or Wiseman. Slight upgrades won't get it done. Celts need to focus on the future because of the age of Brown and Tatum. Right now it's so difficult to get the right pieces because of the cap situation. Hayward needs to opt out and sign for a lesser deal, but longer duration. Replacing Smart with Ball will be an upgrade. Imagine a Big 3 of Tatum, Brown, and Ball.
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Post by fierce on Sept 25, 2020 2:58:29 GMT -5
I know Smart is the heart and soul of this Celtics team, but in the playoffs and finals, you have to have brains too!
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