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Post by kyceltic on Jan 17, 2020 11:41:20 GMT -5
I usually agree with Fierce, but not this time!! Can't hit free throws, not much on defense!! What we need to do is trade Ainge for Jon Horst, the Bucks GM! Their bench could beat half the teams in the NBA!! Right now Drummond is so cheap. He's still 26 years old. It's a gamble. To continue on this path, on relying solely on wing players, will just be another 2nd round playoff exit. Hayward for Drummond and Rose is not worth gambling? Brown is already looking like he's better than Hayward. So why not trade a luxury like Hayward for a need like Drummond? since you put it that way! We still need a Bertans!
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Post by fierce on Jan 17, 2020 11:43:05 GMT -5
You didn't notice that every playoffs Brad increases the minutes of the starters and lessens the minutes of the bench players? Check every decade where the Celts won a championship. There's not a decade where the Celts won a championship without a quality big man. You can also check the boxscores. When all 5 core players are healthy, only 3 out of the 5 usually have good games when all 5 are playing together. Celts need more balance. Losing one wing player for a quality big man makes the Celts an elite team. Still not convinced Drummond moves the needle for us. I'm for getting Jamal Crawford and cutting Semi. See how that goes, then implement your idea. We don't have to wait long as the trade deadline is in 3 weeks. After the trade deadline the back and forth about trades will stop. So 3 weeks to go!
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Post by fierce on Jan 17, 2020 11:43:53 GMT -5
Right now Drummond is so cheap. He's still 26 years old. It's a gamble. To continue on this path, on relying solely on wing players, will just be another 2nd round playoff exit. Hayward for Drummond and Rose is not worth gambling? Brown is already looking like he's better than Hayward. So why not trade a luxury like Hayward for a need like Drummond? since you put it that way! We still need a Bertans! That's the beauty of it. If the Pistons have no takers for Drummond then the Celts can save the Memphis pick for Bertans!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2020 11:46:13 GMT -5
You didn't notice that every playoffs Brad increases the minutes of the starters and lessens the minutes of the bench players? Right Fierce...
He wore the Midget down cost Thomas about 100 mil.
Brad Destroys players .. Bringing back Hayward early last year sealed his fate..
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Post by sfbosfan on Jan 17, 2020 12:15:02 GMT -5
This team is at their best when they are moving and attacking. Gets the defense scrambling to open someone up from the outside. Whether its Brown, Hayward, or Kemba driving and kicking it out, and then moving the ball around. That's the problem, all the NBA teams know that's what the Celts will do. The Celts are so predictable. No matter how many times you move the ball, opposing teams know the Celts will just end up shooting from the outside. So they just focus on defending the Celts from the outside. The Celts need an inside-outside game. That will make opposing teams guess. But right now the Celts are a one trick pony Enjoy reading all the posts about our needs and other than an agreement that all 4 of our best players need shoot well to have a victory, the consensus, especially yours Fierce, is something we’ve needed now for maybe 10 years when we had Perkins and that is a strong presence in the post. And the person did not need be a huge scorer as we had Pierce, KG & Allen to do that. Yup, a big man will take some from the defense of our perimeter shooters and another key is we won’t need more than 10 pts offense from him like Giannis, Embiid etc. because our core 4 are as good as anyone else’s, I think. The key is that he gives us 15 + rebounds and if we can keep Kanter too who also gives us 10+ and we can win the rebound advantage by 5-10 + , we can make up for only 3 or maybe 2 of our stars shooting really well. In other words, excess rebounds can make up with a 2nd chance shot difference a bad or mediocre shooting night. OK, shame on me for opening old wounds from which I’m still pissed. Game 7 NBA finals LA 2010…We shot 45% & they 35% but they had 53 rebs to our 40+13 second chances. Yup, I know there was an egregious 42 to 18 foul difference, Kobe shot 6 for 24…25% and was MVP. He’d been a goat had they lost. Alas, My fellow posters whom I expect are also Laker haters, I fear they only 1 NBA championship behind us have a better chance of tying us than we do going 2 ahead. Get Drummund… he’ll give up 10 pts and hopefully 15 rebs and our shooting % should go up as they’ll need guard the post they do not now.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2020 13:03:16 GMT -5
Listen up folks.
We have the 15th 26th and 30th pick as we speak. Not worth much this year slim pickins
We have two players Walker and Hayward who are both overpaid for the next 2 to 4 years.
Tatum is going to ask for more than Brown and even if Hayward leaves in 2021 we have 100 mil in 3 players Hayward will opt in no else gives him over 30 mil Next year is signed sealed and delivered with 139 mil on the books..
. Stevens refuses to give Lansford or Tacko any real minutes. He also refuses to instill any inside game to the team.
It's trade Tatum or Brown and or blow up the team. No one wants WALKER or Hayward either.
There are no good options. This is a clusterfuck.
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jan 17, 2020 13:55:07 GMT -5
Listen up folks. We have the 15th 26th and 30th pick as we speak. Not worth much this year slim pickins We have two players Walker and Hayward who are both overpaid for the next 2 to 4 years. Tatum is going to ask for more than Brown and even if Hayward leaves in 2021 we have 100 mil in 3 players Hayward will opt in no else gives him over 30 mil Next year is signed sealed and delivered with 139 mil on the books.. . Stevens refuses to give Lansford or Tacko any real minutes. He also refuses to instill any inside game to the team. It's trade Tatum or Brown and or blow up the team. No one wants WALKER or Hayward either. There are no good options. This is a clusterfuck. I think you are over-simplifying the problems. Langford has been hurt basically all year. Even when he's on the bench, he has not proven to be reliable, health-wise, or scoring wise. He cannot just "give" him minutes when he has not earned them. As far a Tacko, I, too would love to see him play. The problem is he is not on the roster. They would have to cut someone, give him a "real" contract, and then let him develop. On his current deal, he can have 45 days with the team.
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jan 17, 2020 13:58:34 GMT -5
Robert Covington is a name I keep hearing. But why would the Wolves trade him now? Unless they are planning on "not winning" in the second half. 11/12/13 on his deal. I would not trade Smart for him, though
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Post by kyceltic on Jan 17, 2020 14:13:34 GMT -5
Tacko is not ready, may not be ready next year! Standing in a corner is not helping Langford, get him involved in the offense, when he plays!! I agree with Dee, I doubt Hayward is tradable, without adding picks, which I'm not opposed to doing!!
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Post by puddin on Jan 17, 2020 14:27:05 GMT -5
Trade Smart, ladies???
No F-N way, gurls!!
I'm feelin' a need to pump him up ^^ just a wee bit!! I hear he was awesome last night.
(I didn't see the game. I was busy watching the Senate Impeachment replays.)
Somebody needed to be awesome, don'tcha think!
My prediction: 50+ wins this season.....
...and fallin'!
Pud
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jan 17, 2020 14:38:55 GMT -5
Tacko is not ready, may not be ready next year! Standing in a corner is not helping Langford, get him involved in the offense, when he plays!! I agree with Dee, I doubt Hayward is tradable, without adding picks, which I'm not opposed to doing!! I'm all in favor of trading picks as well. The time is now. It takes two to make a trade, though, and do we have what anyone is looking for?? Agree on Tacko, we are in the minority, apparently. Also agree Hayward is not going anywhere..........he seems to be the one mentioned most often, however.
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jan 17, 2020 16:23:58 GMT -5
What a guy:
Brian Lewis: Kyrie Irving: “I’m going to continue to push, continue to demand greatness out of myself and out of my teammates…If it’s harsh as a leader or it’s too much for anybody, you’re not in our locker room—stay the fu-k out.” #Nets #NBA – via Twitter NYPost_Lewis
The Great and Almighty One has played in exactly 14 games this year.......Jesus Christ we dodged a bullet here!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2020 17:09:30 GMT -5
Hedley i have to agree with most all you said on your reply to me. .Yea i'm ill
I forgot about the 45 days, Tako needs another year i seen that watching the gleague games..
My reasoning right or wrong was i don't think the team has a shot this year.
Play the young guys... No quick fix this year..
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jan 17, 2020 17:20:43 GMT -5
Hedley i have to agree with most all you said on your reply to me. .Yea i'm ill I forgot about the 45 days, Tako needs another year i seen that watching the gleague games.. My reasoning right or wrong was i don't think the team has a shot this year. Play the young guys... No quick fix this year.. Well, ready or not, I think he comes up next year or we will lose him.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2020 17:40:27 GMT -5
Hedley i have to agree with most all you said on your reply to me. .Yea i'm ill I forgot about the 45 days, Tako needs another year i seen that watching the gleague games.. My reasoning right or wrong was i don't think the team has a shot this year. Play the young guys... No quick fix this year.. Well, ready or not, I think he comes up next year or we will lose him. Yeah .. He can back up Kanter for 10 to 16 minutes if nothing else.. I don't see any really decent Centers being available unless we trade Tatum or Brown. Not sure i want to part with either. That was why i was against giving Walker over 30 mil. It ties our hands and Tatum will want plus 25 mil probably 30 the year afterwards when Hayward is no longer a Celt.
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Post by elvissurfs on Jan 17, 2020 19:33:28 GMT -5
Right now Drummond is so cheap. He's still 26 years old. It's a gamble. To continue on this path, on relying solely on wing players, will just be another 2nd round playoff exit. Hayward for Drummond and Rose is not worth gambling? Brown is already looking like he's better than Hayward. So why not trade a luxury like Hayward for a need like Drummond? since you put it that way! We still need a Bertans! oh yeah, folks are just lining up to acquire Hayward at 32 million...
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Post by elvissurfs on Jan 17, 2020 19:38:04 GMT -5
Tacko is not ready, may not be ready next year! Standing in a corner is not helping Langford, get him involved in the offense, when he plays!! I agree with Dee, I doubt Hayward is tradable, without adding picks, which I'm not opposed to doing!! yeah, Tacko is not ready, but since we sukkk why not play him...guess I am smart because I agree with you!!!! and yes Hayward is not tradeable so get him to contribute as much as he can...and here I am, smart again!!!!
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Post by kyceltic on Jan 17, 2020 20:27:16 GMT -5
Tacko is not ready, may not be ready next year! Standing in a corner is not helping Langford, get him involved in the offense, when he plays!! I agree with Dee, I doubt Hayward is tradable, without adding picks, which I'm not opposed to doing!! yeah, Tacko is not ready, but since we sukkk why not play him...guess I am smart because I agree with you!!!! and yes Hayward is not tradeable so get him to contribute as much as he can...and here I am, smart again!!!! Everyone has their days!!
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Post by fierce on Jan 17, 2020 21:07:37 GMT -5
since you put it that way! We still need a Bertans! oh yeah, folks are just lining up to acquire Hayward at 32 million... That's why you add a pick to compensate for Hayward's contract. Besides, Hayward will only have 1 year left on his contract after this season. It's not like teams will be absorbing a contract similar to that of Gerald Wallace.
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Post by cole on Jan 17, 2020 21:08:58 GMT -5
oh yeah, folks are just lining up to acquire Hayward at 32 million... That's why you add a pick to compensate for Hayward's contract. Besides, Hayward will only have 1 year left on his contract after this season. It's not like teams will be absorbing a contract similar to that of Gerald Wallace. And it's not like he's non functional...and should get a little better next year
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Post by fierce on Jan 17, 2020 21:10:11 GMT -5
But Atlanta is seeking to remain patient, knowing there will be options to improve via the draft and during free agency, sources said. In the deal for Drummond that has been nixed, Detroit would have received Damian Jones, Chandler Parsons or Allen Crabbe (who was dealt to Minnesota on Thursday) and a first-round pick, sources said. 1 day ago – via Yahoo! Sports
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Post by fierce on Jan 17, 2020 21:14:19 GMT -5
Look at that trade proposal that Atlanta nixed.
All those players being offered for Drummond are bench players. But Atlanta refuses to give up a 1st round pick.
So clearly the price for getting Drummond is just a 1st round pick.
Drummond is so cheap right now.
Celts already have Tatum and Brown, so Hayward is a luxury at 32m per year.
Trade luxury for a need.
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Post by fierce on Jan 17, 2020 21:17:29 GMT -5
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Post by fierce on Jan 17, 2020 21:18:26 GMT -5
It's mind boggling to believe that JT is garnering more jersey sales than Harden, Kawhi, Durant, Westbrook, Kyrie, and even Anthony Davis.
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Post by elvissurfs on Jan 17, 2020 21:52:00 GMT -5
Look at that trade proposal that Atlanta nixed. All those players being offered for Drummond are bench players. But Atlanta refuses to give up a 1st round pick. So clearly the price for getting Drummond is just a 1st round pick. Drummond is so cheap right now. Celts already have Tatum and Brown, so Hayward is a luxury at 32m per year. Trade luxury for a need. How are you so stupid that you dont realize that Haywards contract is untradeable??...he is a very good player and he is our player...
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