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Post by Admin on May 5, 2019 20:15:22 GMT -5
One person you won’t ever hear criticize the officials is Celtics coach Brad Stevens, as he’d rather focus on his team’s inefficient play.
“I don’t complain about officials,” Stevens said. “We have a lot of things we have to work on.”
Was the officiating working against the Celtics when Jaylen Brown picked up his fifth foul?
“I don’t complain about officials. We’ve got a lot of stuff we have to do better and they have a hard job. And we focus on us, and the controllable, and that’s the bottom line.”
For me, this is one of the problems with Brad as coach. Most good coaches are taking the hit when it comes to criticizing the officials. That's preferential to letting the players voice opinions and getting fined. The coach needs to be willing to take the hit for his team and show them that he has their back. Not Stevens ... he's taking the high road and losing!
All the great coaches (Lakers included) bait the line after games like this last one where the C's were at home and the refs gave the visitor a free ride at the charity stripe for an abundance of ticky tack fouls by said home team. Using the bully pulpit after such a game sets the team up for a better outcome next game after the refs have been publicly called out & humiliated ... Pat Riley was especially good at it. Do you think Pop would have stayed mum on the subject?
Our superstar, our coach and our team are not getting the same respect that our opponent is getting and that's a recipe for disaster. It's no different than a team being pushed around on the court and not responding ... in our case we are dealing with both situations.
This coach needs to be heard and he won't if he doesn't speak up!
This team needs to lay the law down and send a message to the Bucks ... "Not in our house!" Hard fouls are called for so the charging into the lane stops. There's no since in getting behind from "ticky tack" fouls ... make them count for something and send a message.
If Al or Tatum can't be enforcers then use Morris, Ojeleye, Baynes & Williams. We don't need to put our starters in foul trouble to get physical.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2019 20:39:30 GMT -5
Big Girls Don't Cry.
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Post by sfbosfan on May 5, 2019 20:52:02 GMT -5
Great Nostalgia...was in San Diego 2 years ago. Del Mar Raceway stands were used to watch this performance of 83 year old Frankie ( if any of you old timers are feeling sorrow for yourselves). Very nostalgic for those of the 60s as we sang along to "Big Girls Don’t Cry,” “Walk Like a Man,” “Rag Doll,” and “Can’t Take My Eyes Off You” . Nice warm balmy evening...welcome relief from Arizona. Wanted to take a video with music but I was running out of battery. Attachment Deleted
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Post by Admin on May 5, 2019 21:03:16 GMT -5
I'm not crying, I'm speaking about the history of these situations. The worse thing we can do is take it ... a higher up in the organization needs to be heard ... Danny, Brad or Wick.
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Post by sfbosfan on May 5, 2019 21:06:16 GMT -5
I'm not crying, I'm speaking about the history of these situations. The worse thing we can do is take it ... a higher up in the organization needs to be heard ... Danny, Brad or Wick. How do I add a photo or video?
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Post by Admin on May 5, 2019 21:22:33 GMT -5
Deer hunters: can Semi Ojeleye and (gulp) Marcus Smart help turn this series around in Game 4?In a series where nothing comes easy, the Celtics must control what they can control.By wjsy Photo by Stacy Revere/Getty Images
As much as complaining about the officiating took center stage in the Celtics’ 123-116 loss to the Bucks, the B-side to Boston’s post Game 3 comments were a collective belief that they can better on Monday and will be better on Monday. “The refs have a difficult job. We have a difficult job. Obviously, I could sit up here and complain. We know the disparity and what it is, but I’m not going to put all the emphasis on the refereeing,” Kyrie Irving said regarding Milwaukee’s third quarter production that saw them go to the free throw line 17 times, including eight trips for Giannis Antetokounmpo. “I think there are a lot of controllable things on our end that we can be better at. Obviously the officiating is going to be part of it. Hopefully, you wish that things could go your way, but they don’t and we have to be able to respond better and we’re going to do that in Game 4. I’m confident in this group. I’m confident in the talent we have here and the basketball IQ. We just have to bring it to another level, just being in the right spots and really focusing on where we can take advantage on their defensive miscues.” As much as Boston can make a case that the officiating influenced the outcome of Game 3, they know that there are areas the they could improve in that aren’t related to the whistle. Brad Stevens said, “I don’t complain about officials. We’ve got a lot of stuff we can do better. They have a hard job. We focus on us and the controllables. That’s the bottom line.” If the last two games are any indication, the refs will continue to reward aggression and the Celtics will have to figure out areas where they can apply pressure and be better.
Limit turnoversBoston’s offense is predicated on every player being a threat to either shoot, dribble, or pass. With the Bucks packing in the paint, the Celtics have found it difficult to generate easy looks at the rim. After scoring 36 points in the paint on Tuesday, Boston only mustered 24 on Friday night and to make matters worse, their issues were compounded by turnovers turning into easy transition points. Milwaukee is averaging 23 fast point breaks per game in the series so far and much of that is fueled by turnovers. In Game 3, the Celtics coughed up eighteen turnovers to the tune of 28 points off TO’s for the Bucks. That’s a staggering number for a team that ranked 4th in the NBA in opponents’ points of turnovers with just 14.7 per game. Stevens said, “I thought we got a little deep on the drive, whereas in the first half, we were doing a really good job getting in the right depth and making the next right play. We turned it over a few times, they got going in transition, they get going downhill, we weren’t quite as tight as we like to be, loading up to the ball, making it tough to go downhill, and keeping them off the foul line. If there’s anything, it’s stuff we have to do better.” When Stevens talks about “getting too deep,” he’s referring to players drawing double teams and allowing Milwaukee to smother him and get the ball out of their hands.
When Gordon Hayward drives into the paint, he’s either got to be shooting or kicking out as soon as he draws the second defender. If you watch the Bucks converge on drivers, they always attack low to prevent fouls.
They’re not necessarily looking to smother Kyrie here. They just want him to pick up his dribble.
Stay “small” with Semi Ojeleye
The biggest deterrent so far against Antetokounmpo has obviously been Al Horford. Through 129 possessions, Al has held Giannis to 12-of-27 shooting and that’s included 4 pull up threes in garbage time. Aron Baynes served as Al’s backup in Game 1 and 2, but Giannis has feasted on him. He’s only shot 4-of-11, but Baynes has also committed six shooting fouls guarding Antetokounmpo. For some context, Giannis has shot 70 free throws in his last four games. That includes 10 in Boston’s Game 1 victory in Milwaukee and 20 in the Bucks’ close out game against the Pistons. During the regular season, he averaged only 9.5 trips to the line.
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In Game 3, instead of Baynes, Stevens elected to go small with Ojeleye. Semi got called for some ticky tack fouls, but for the most part, he served as a solid defender on the possible MVP. In last year’s seven game series, Ojeleye started the final three games and defended Antetokounmpo nearly as much Horford did to arguably better results. With quicker feet and a more solid base, Ojeleye was better at keeping Antetokounmpo in front of him. Horford had a deterrent factor of 107.0 against Antetokounmpo; that’s basically a percentage of a player’s field goal attempts in a specific matchup. In other words, Giannis was more aggressive against Al. Versus Semi, it was 91.0. Credit to the Ojeleye Factory.
The Bucks scored 52 points in the paint to the Celtics’ 24. “I’m living with that,” Irving said. Milwaukee averaged 53.3 PITP in the regular season and that’s just a concession Boston is willing to give up. “We can manage the game a lot better when we’re giving up 2’s rather than 3’s.”
Let’s get crazyThe word out of Celtics camp on Saturday is that “all indications” point to Marcus Smart practicing today. There are metrics that show he’ll make a difference, but ultimately, he’ll add that extra punch that the team has been missing over the last two games. Stevens and Irving both stressed managing parts of the game that they could control. Leave it to Smart to be the wild card. The team said all the right things after Friday’s disappointing loss. They didn’t cross the line when talking about the refs, they humbly admitted mistakes, and they spoke tactically about how they’ll change their approach in Game 4. That’s all well and good, but what the playoffs have lacked are those handful of winning plays that seem to turn the tide emotionally for the Celtics. So far, they’ve won on talent and execution.
Just over a year ago, Smart returned in Game 5 of last year’s series against Milwaukee. He had missed 19 games with a thumb injury. Here are the highlights:
Tell me this series doesn’t need a little of that.
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Post by Admin on May 5, 2019 21:28:07 GMT -5
I'm not crying, I'm speaking about the history of these situations. The worse thing we can do is take it ... a higher up in the organization needs to be heard ... Danny, Brad or Wick. How do I add a photo or video?
A youtube video is easy ... just copy & post the URL address in the body of your reply.
If a pic ... go above to the gray set of boxes to the right and select the 3rd box from the left that says "Insert Image." Paste the URL address for the pic where you see the blue text then click "insert image."
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Post by Admin on May 5, 2019 21:33:38 GMT -5
Today, Smart was cleared by the team’s training staff to resume full contact, and he said he’s hopeful for a return to the floor on Monday. false Brad Stevens is also hopeful for Smart’s return, but stresses it’s not his call. “That’ll be totally up to the training staff and how he feels," Smart [Brad] said. "It has nothing to do with me, so I’ll get their cues and go from there.” Stevens did say that Smart will likely be on a minutes restriction, but Smart says he’s been trying to come back in game shape. “I’ve been doing every possible thing in rehab to try to keep my conditioning up,” he said. “On the treadmill, in the pool, things like that, so hopefully my wind is where it needs to be if there isn’t any restrictions.”
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Post by puddin on May 5, 2019 21:36:23 GMT -5
I'm not crying, I'm speaking about the history of these situations. The worse thing we can do is take it ... a higher up in the organization needs to be heard ... Danny, Brad or Wick. Sorry amigo.... you are crying.
Blaming the refs or the league for conspiring with the refs to get its way is definitely crying.
And you aren't the only one doing so.
Pud
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Post by cole on May 5, 2019 21:36:52 GMT -5
I'm not crying, I'm speaking about the history of these situations. The worse thing we can do is take it ... a higher up in the organization needs to be heard ... Danny, Brad or Wick. How do I add a photo or video? for youtube you can just copy the link from down in the share menu and paste it in...the site embeds it
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Post by cole on May 5, 2019 21:38:13 GMT -5
I'm not crying, I'm speaking about the history of these situations. The worse thing we can do is take it ... a higher up in the organization needs to be heard ... Danny, Brad or Wick. Sorry amigo.... you are crying.
Blaming the refs or the league for conspiring with the refs to get its way is definitely crying.
And you aren't the only one doing so.
Pud
We'll see how many ft's Giannis shoots in the next game, I guess. I'm not going to speak to the refs because I didn't see the game.
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Post by Admin on May 5, 2019 21:41:34 GMT -5
I'm not crying, I'm speaking about the history of these situations. The worse thing we can do is take it ... a higher up in the organization needs to be heard ... Danny, Brad or Wick. Sorry amigo.... you are crying.
Blaming the refs or the league for conspiring with the refs to get its way is definitely crying.
And you aren't the only one doing so.
Pud
It's historical precedent to take the refs to task for a poorly called game to get a reprieve in the next one.
Brad is a weanie for not speaking up ... it's part of the psychological aspect of the game to gain an upper hand. It always has been and always will be. Valor be damned ... you know what Red would say!
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Post by Admin on May 5, 2019 22:09:53 GMT -5
Four factors for fixing the Celtics in Game 4 By Steve Bulpett | Boston Herald(Staff Photo By Christopher Evans/MediaNews Group/Boston Herald)
It was fairly stunning how badly the Celtics squandered the opportunity to make a series statement Friday night, how they frayed when presented with the challenge posed by Milwaukee and, in their minds, the officiating.
The truth is they had the capacity to deal properly with both, but instead they found themselves with a 123-116 loss that removed from their grip the homecourt advantage they’d secured in Game 1 and dropped them into a 2-1 deficit in this Eastern Conference semifinal.
It’d be easy to say the C’s have been done in by horrible third-quarters the last two games, but that would be missing too many points.
I wrote after the series opener that the game becomes more physical in the playoffs, and the Celts had taken wonderful advantage of that fact in Game 1. But they seemed to get thrown off that concept by a few early calls in Game 2, and by Friday the C’s were so caught up in what they believed were unfair whistles that they seemed at times to be running on egg shells instead of the hardwood.
No doubt, Brad Stevens will be giving them a detailed set of instructions before Monday’s Game 4. Here are four that might be included:
• Make your own impression on the game
Red Auerbach often said he wanted instigators, not retaliators, and it seems the Celtics have backed off and become too much the latter in the past two. Control the controllables. Dictate what you can.
If the referees start calling ticky-tack stuff while trying to exert control over the proceedings, fine. Then do a full heel turn and be bold about it.
The Bucks may beat a path to the line for a while, but as long as they’re shooting free throws, they’re not outside scoring 45 points on treys as they did Friday. And after a while, it will become a matter of math as it did with the old Pat Riley Knicks, where Doc Rivers, then still playing, admitted the refs couldn’t call everything, so more slipped through and the game was played on their own terms.
Sure, as Kyrie Irving pointed out, getting called for 12 fouls in the third quarter hurt the Celts’ flow. But if they had established the game’s tone earlier and continued it into the second half, it could have been the Bucks bitching at calls while the C’s got out in transition.
• Don’t try to out-Giannis Giannis
The Celtics did a good job of crowding Antetokounmpo in Game 1 and into the second meeting, as well. But they seemingly lost the will and energy to jostle him with extra bodies and still close out to shooters on the perimeter.
That left us with the sight of the Celts trying to match his athleticism in space — a foolish game if ever there was one. Fuhgeddaboutit. Or, in Greek, “xechna to.”
Aron Baynes played just two minutes Friday, and Stevens said afterward that he may be giving the large Australian more time because he’s better at taking charges. It could also be for Baynes’ famed “you may score, but it’s going to hurt” defense.
• He who hesitates is … down 2-1
The slow close-outs to the 3-point line are mentioned above, but good defense is a chain of properly connected links. Stevens lamented that the Celts were looser than desired on Antetokounmpo, but he said that may have been because they were wary of how well the Bucks were hitting from the arc.
Therein lies the problem. By not being aggressive in the paint to start, the C’s were caught in no-man’s land. Hesitancy is what creates open shooters. Had the first line of defense been tighter, Milwaukee’s marksmanship may have been moot. Those perimeter people can still be open, but it won’t necessarily make a difference if the Buck with the ball is bottled up and can’t make the pass cleanly.
The Celtics can’t let Giannis with a game-high eight assists happen.
• Driving in traffic
After Game 2, Irving said he would do a better job of getting into the paint and making the right reads. He said he and his team would do a better job of moving the ball from side to side and attacking the seams in the defense.
There was no reason to doubt his measured comments, and this as much as anything was cause for the belief this series was still in the Celts’ control.
But there were the C’s getting too deep on their drives, according to Stevens, and committing turnovers that led to Milwaukee getting easy opportunity buckets and free throws.
Remember how last year against the Bucks we criticized the young Celts for driving into the teeth of the defense and either turning the ball over or getting their stuff blocked? Well, there was the issue again Friday, only with veterans at the wheel.
The bottom line here is that the Celtics need to be doing less dribbling and more finishing. Their ball movement was largely exemplary as they rolled out to a 12-point second-quarter lead in Game 3 — and that margin frankly should have been greater. It was the kind of stuff that had the Bucks’ players looking at each other to wonder who left Jaylen Brown open and had Mike Budenholzer reaching for timeouts.
And then when things got tight as Milwaukee made its runs, the Celts got soggy. They lost their crisp.
If the Bucks want to load up on Irving, then picks away from the ball should yield cuts to daylight and layups — or extra passes to open shooters.
If the Celtics can do as they’ve been told by Stevens, they can even the series on Monday. That will still leave the daunting task of needing to win two out of three with just one of those games at home.
But if they don’t get their [shit] together in the next one, the offseason will be beckoning hard.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2019 22:24:00 GMT -5
Wasn't trying to actually slam you it was dual purpose.
Stevens grew up in a very conservative city and likely a home life.
He was raised to be a quiet Christian and not raise his voice or show anger,
This continued thu DePawl? Collage and with Butler.
I got to give him credit he is a true Gentleman and has impeccable manors . There is a lot to be thankful for folk like Stevens The world has too few it seems.
Unfortunate for him the NBA isn't a gentleman's club in Cambridge England. Maybe a little Alice Cooper is in order.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2019 22:28:11 GMT -5
Today, Smart was cleared by the team’s training staff to resume full contact, and he said he’s hopeful for a return to the floor on Monday. false Brad Stevens is also hopeful for Smart’s return, but stresses it’s not his call. “That’ll be totally up to the training staff and how he feels," Smart [Brad] said. "It has nothing to do with me, so I’ll get their cues and go from there.” Stevens did say that Smart will likely be on a minutes restriction, but Smart says he’s been trying to come back in game shape. “I’ve been doing every possible thing in rehab to try to keep my conditioning up,” he said. “On the treadmill, in the pool, things like that, so hopefully my wind is where it needs to be if there isn’t any restrictions.”
My eyes are bad but i see a large rust buildup on Smart and my guess is he's 75% at best. Could be wrong maybe he will be the spark.
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Post by sfbosfan on May 5, 2019 23:03:50 GMT -5
How do I add a photo or video?
A youtube video is easy ... just copy & post the URL address in the body of your reply.
If a pic ... go above to the gray set of boxes to the right and select the 3rd box from the left that says "Insert Image." Paste the URL address for the pic where you see the blue text then click "insert image."
Thank you for trying. Yes I knew just pasting the URL for a video but on my iPhone no gray boxes on the right only a “Quote “ box for responding, a thumbs up symbol to like a post and symbol like a gear for dropdown to edit, delete etc. but no add/insert photo. Will check on my iMac at home.
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Post by puddin on May 6, 2019 7:27:21 GMT -5
Sorry amigo.... you are crying.
Blaming the refs or the league for conspiring with the refs to get its way is definitely crying.
And you aren't the only one doing so.
Pud
We'll see how many ft's Giannis shoots in the next game, I guess. I'm not going to speak to the refs because I didn't see the game.So what if you didn't see the game???
You've already spoken about the refs on a number of occasions, amigo.
If you are to be believed, the refs are in cahoots with the league office who uses the refs to fix games in order to advance the league's "marketing agenda".
And apparently, based on what you have posted previously, the only thing that keeps the corruption in check is your calling out the refs and the league office from time to time so that they go in hiding... at least for a while... and then they are back at it before you know it fixing games.
Some sport, wouldn't you agree???
The fact that you didn't see this particular game is irrelevant.
The NBA is corrupt... so own it for goodness sake.... and then find another sport to watch.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2019 8:38:30 GMT -5
The officiating in the NBA sucks. Not whining just starting a fact. Whenever Lebron or the new marketing subject Giannis touch the ball, they go to the line, period. It was plain as day last game when the zebras started blowing their whistles against the Bucks only in the 4th quarter when the game was out of hand. Now the NBA publicists can say "look the FT attempts were near equal." No they weren't, when the game was on the line Giannis went to the charity stripe every time he touched the ball.
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Post by puddin on May 6, 2019 8:52:06 GMT -5
The officiating in the NBA sucks. Not whining just starting a fact. Whenever Lebron or the new marketing subject Giannis touch the ball, they go to the line, period. It was plain as day last game when the zebras started blowing their whistles against the Bucks only in the 4th quarter when the game was out of hand. Now the NBA publicists can say "look the FT attempts were near equal." No they weren't, when the game was on the line Giannis went to the charity stripe every time he touched the ball. So quit the bed wetting and cry-babying and find another sport.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2019 8:54:21 GMT -5
The officiating in the NBA sucks. Not whining just starting a fact. Whenever Lebron or the new marketing subject Giannis touch the ball, they go to the line, period. It was plain as day last game when the zebras started blowing their whistles against the Bucks only in the 4th quarter when the game was out of hand. Now the NBA publicists can say "look the FT attempts were near equal." No they weren't, when the game was on the line Giannis went to the charity stripe every time he touched the ball. yES They suck usually against both teams. Consistent bad calls. Funny i bet none of you complained when Jordon got all the calls against the Celtics, Check out the 80s, You guys beside Pud are old enough to remember Mikey gets all the callls No. Never thought Pud and i would agree on much of anything. Old Age isn't exactly a blessing but...... We can tell the difference between our ass and a hole in the ground, Beginning to wonder just who else here can.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2019 8:55:21 GMT -5
The officiating in the NBA sucks. Not whining just starting a fact. Whenever Lebron or the new marketing subject Giannis touch the ball, they go to the line, period. It was plain as day last game when the zebras started blowing their whistles against the Bucks only in the 4th quarter when the game was out of hand. Now the NBA publicists can say "look the FT attempts were near equal." No they weren't, when the game was on the line Giannis went to the charity stripe every time he touched the ball. So quit the bed wetting and cry-babying and find another sport.
Pud
Yes my advice also.
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Post by elvissurfs on May 6, 2019 9:09:23 GMT -5
The officiating in the NBA sucks. Not whining just starting a fact. Whenever Lebron or the new marketing subject Giannis touch the ball, they go to the line, period. It was plain as day last game when the zebras started blowing their whistles against the Bucks only in the 4th quarter when the game was out of hand. Now the NBA publicists can say "look the FT attempts were near equal." No they weren't, when the game was on the line Giannis went to the charity stripe every time he touched the ball. So quit the bed wetting and cry-babying and find another sport.
Pud
would love to Pud, but the C's are relevant, so I am sort of stuck with it...on this issue you are like Fierce, repetitive, boring, and walled off to anyone else's opinion...
If you cannot see that Giannis gets all the calls, is the new propped up king of bully ball in the east due to the departure of LeBron, then believe what our players are saying...they are on the floor experiencing what apparently you are too blind to see....
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Post by drewski6 on May 6, 2019 9:11:36 GMT -5
Its hard for me to justify blaming the refs when the game was out of hand. We turned the ball over too much, and started taking bad shots when it started getting ugly. The refs helped, but your going to get a lot of calls when you're in transition and out in front of the D. The refs were a contributing factor, but not the primary reason we lost that game. Gotta get in front of Giannis and take the charge. Have to.
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Post by drewski6 on May 6, 2019 9:13:25 GMT -5
We have to do a better job of making more shots and getting back on D. When you are missing, you are creating transition opportunities, and if youre not hustling back - these turn into easy buckets. Whole team has to buy in. Cant be shaking your head at the ref , giving up a 2 on 1 the other way.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2019 9:23:42 GMT -5
Yes Drew,
Fair warning yesterday was just a warm up with Sarge, I'LL just let him pass for the time being i have bigger fish to fry besides his debating tactics need a little brushing up on. Two more weeks in Mexicoi have nothing better to do than get up someones ass with my Boots.
Human activity has put a million species in danger, warns UN.
Dee warns my activity here will put many posters in danger, Just verbally of course Sarge's fist a cuffs and mine our on hold for the time being. Waiting on my agent Headley to finish the contract details.
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