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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2019 13:48:08 GMT -5
Don't know i missed part of the second half also freezing up tomorrw install a in line amp. I don't think he gets the get the touches this have been bothering me all of the second half of the season. Hoping to some other opinions on this i'm clueless as to why. 20 year olds don't wear down in the second half. Help us out here Peaty or Boss. Pud. I just think Tatum is a microcosm of this team and their tendency to take their foot off the gas when they think they've done something. He's young and doesn't realize that, in this game, bad things happen when you "let up". It happens all the time......Celtics play Celtics basketball for a half or 3 quarters and build a huge lead. Then they let up and allow teams to come back (see Lakers, Clippers, Nuggets, Charlotte, Cleveland). Sometimes you can hold off a less than elite team but other times, you cannot and you get beat. Tatum missed a couple bunny layups last night too - one McHale "up and under" and another a pure bunny at the rim. For some reason, he just loses that focus. Honestly, how much time did Tatum spend with Kobe over last offseason? Was it just a couple hours because it must have been all spent on that inconsistent step back. Tatum should have spent the entire time talking about MENTALITY because his is pretty weak. Seventeen shots in the first half and then you just stop shooting in the second? I don't get it. Another issue is that these guys have not yet figured out how to impact the game when their preferred attack modes are taken away. Their game is not matured yet. The 2nd half performance is half mental and half that the Cavs made some adjustments.
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Post by petey62 on Mar 27, 2019 14:21:02 GMT -5
As always, excellent point.
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Post by hedleylamarr on Mar 27, 2019 14:33:45 GMT -5
A win is a win.
Are we 10-2 without Kyrie?
I'm kind of souring on him, he's a primaddona. I'll be happy if he stays, but also ok if he leaves.
We will miss you next year, dee!!
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Post by kyceltic on Mar 27, 2019 15:24:39 GMT -5
I think Tatum subconsciously checked out, after all the trade talk about AD! He may think he's gone after this season and it's having a negative impact on his play!!
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Post by puddin on Mar 27, 2019 16:07:54 GMT -5
SHOOT the friggin' ball is all Stevens needs to tell Tatum. He running scared. If he's here next year i'm gonePeewee....
...take me with you.
Peter and Gordon said it best amigo.
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Post by Cabutan on Mar 27, 2019 17:19:14 GMT -5
I just think Tatum is a microcosm of this team and their tendency to take their foot off the gas when they think they've done something. He's young and doesn't realize that, in this game, bad things happen when you "let up". It happens all the time......Celtics play Celtics basketball for a half or 3 quarters and build a huge lead. Then they let up and allow teams to come back (see Lakers, Clippers, Nuggets, Charlotte, Cleveland). Sometimes you can hold off a less than elite team but other times, you cannot and you get beat. Tatum missed a couple bunny layups last night too - one McHale "up and under" and another a pure bunny at the rim. For some reason, he just loses that focus. Honestly, how much time did Tatum spend with Kobe over last offseason? Was it just a couple hours because it must have been all spent on that inconsistent step back. Tatum should have spent the entire time talking about MENTALITY because his is pretty weak. Seventeen shots in the first half and then you just stop shooting in the second? I don't get it. Another issue is that these guys have not yet figured out how to impact the game when their preferred attack modes are taken away. Their game is not matured yet. The 2nd half performance is half mental and half that the Cavs made some adjustments. I dont buy this. If there was a year that the young guys were mature enough it would have been this year. Coming from a ECF loss where Rozier and some of the other guys wilted in the last game, I think these guys were mentally ready to go perhaps on a 60+ win season. These guys are more than ready. It just has to sink with a lot of people that the KI experiment did not work out. I would be more than happy if it does in the playoffs but all hope is lost my side. Have you seen how bad KI transition defense is? this is an area we get killed constantly. And like I said not too long ago, KI shooting has been really poor lately which does not make things any better at all specially if all he wants to do is shoot.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2019 17:33:01 GMT -5
Another issue is that these guys have not yet figured out how to impact the game when their preferred attack modes are taken away. Their game is not matured yet. The 2nd half performance is half mental and half that the Cavs made some adjustments. I dont buy this. If there was a year that the young guys were mature enough it would have been this year. Coming from a ECF loss where Rozier and some of the other guys wilted in the last game, I think these guys were mentally ready to go perhaps on a 60+ win season. These guys are more than ready. It just has to sink with a lot of people that the KI experiment did not work out. I would be more than happy if it does in the playoffs but all hope is lost my side. Have you seen how bad KI transition defense is? this is an area we get killed constantly. And like I said not too long ago, KI shooting has been really poor lately which does not make things any better at all specially if all he wants to do is shoot. Let me address these two points for my vantage.
Last year, all three of Tatum, Brown and Rozier were searching for roles, any role. They were just not big enough in their own mind. There was no past performance to bank on. They were ready to do whatever was being asked for. However, this year, they come in with exaggerated self perception because of the success last year. That is a problem and they make a lot of questionable decisions. They are just not as good as their self perception.
Why did this chemistry issue prop up just this year? Kyrie was on the team last year as well and actually played for most of the year.
Regarding Kyrie and his transition defense lately, please take a look at the Celtics attack plan in recent games. Kyrie has been going more to the basket. We don't have anybody else that can do the effectively. So now you expect Kyrie to attack the basket and when he misses, run back and stop the transition as well? Hey, Kyrie is not a star defender anyway. Is his defense this year worse than last year?
Couple this with the fact that we have had injuries and players unavailable and I conclude that Kyrie has been playing against a stacked deck. I understand that he is frustrated and there is no excuse for his comments. But I am seeing somebody who has no idea about leadership right now and is in the process of figuring it out.
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Post by puddin on Mar 27, 2019 18:34:18 GMT -5
I dont buy this. If there was a year that the young guys were mature enough it would have been this year. Coming from a ECF loss where Rozier and some of the other guys wilted in the last game, I think these guys were mentally ready to go perhaps on a 60+ win season. These guys are more than ready. It just has to sink with a lot of people that the KI experiment did not work out. I would be more than happy if it does in the playoffs but all hope is lost my side. Have you seen how bad KI transition defense is? this is an area we get killed constantly. And like I said not too long ago, KI shooting has been really poor lately which does not make things any better at all specially if all he wants to do is shoot. Let me address these two points for my vantage.
Last year, all three of Tatum, Brown and Rozier were searching for roles, any role. They were just not big enough in their own mind. There was no past performance to bank on. They were ready to do whatever was being asked for. However, this year, they come in with exaggerated self perception because of the success last year. That is a problem and they make a lot of questionable decisions. They are just not as good as their self perception.
Why did this chemistry issue prop up just this year? Kyrie was on the team last year as well and actually played for most of the year.
Regarding Kyrie and his transition defense lately, please take a look at the Celtics attack plan in recent games. Kyrie has been going more to the basket. We don't have anybody else that can do the effectively. So now you expect Kyrie to attack the basket and when he misses, run back and stop the transition as well? Hey, Kyrie is not a star defender anyway. Is his defense this year worse than last year?
Couple this with the fact that we have had injuries and players unavailable and I conclude that Kyrie has been playing against a stacked deck. I understand that he is frustrated and there is no excuse for his comments. But I am seeing somebody who has no idea about leadership right now and is in the process of figuring it out.
KI may be the stacked deck!
When has KI ever demonstrated leadership?
Not before LBJ and certainly not after.
My guess is that he will finally figure out leadership right about the time he figures out that the earth is round.... which is to say.... no time soon.
His comments are troubling in that it allows insight into who KI really is.... and it is not pretty.
Whats the old saying.... "Believe people when they tell you who they are."
KI is saying who he is loud and clear.
Believe him!!
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Post by petey62 on Mar 27, 2019 18:50:24 GMT -5
The only issue I had with KI's comments is that he said them publicly. But get this straight, his comments were CORRECT. This team IS IMMATURE. And this team is OVER-HYPED. Honestly, Tatum, Brown and Rozier have done NOTHING to warrant their hype. Rozier is on drugs if he thinks he's a starting NBA PG. He has no offensive facilitating skills whatsoever. Cannot effectively run an offense to save his life.
Let's not forget, the Celtics went 11 wins and 8 losses in the playoffs last year winning ONLY one road game against seriously FLAWED teams in Milwaukee, Philly and Cleveland. And that immaturity was on display in game 7 of the ECF.
The Celtics would have gotten swept just like Cleveland had they gotten to the Finals.
KI is young himself so I consider him still learning to be a leader. This is really his first opportunity at being a leader but when you have upstart younger players who you cannot tell anything to because they got to the ECF last year, being a leader becomes more of a challenge.
And with all the hype surrounding Tatum, Brown and Rozier, each of their games has regressed a lot.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2019 19:15:52 GMT -5
A win is a win. Are we 10-2 without Kyrie? I'm kind of souring on him, he's a primaddona. I'll be happy if he stays, but also ok if he leaves. We will miss you next year, dee!! Thanks Hedley. This team needs leadership and Stevens isn't providing it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2019 19:18:31 GMT -5
Peter and Gordon?
Flashback? They promised us that back in the 60s.
Still waiting on that ''free trip''
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2019 19:25:26 GMT -5
You guys think what you want i tired of arguing.
When Stevens gets a ring i'll admit im wrong.
At this point your wrong.
Keep blaming the players when we all know our team is better than its record. Just what does that indicate?. Poor coaching its not complicated. Top that.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2019 19:27:34 GMT -5
I think Tatum subconsciously checked out, after all the trade talk about AD! He may think he's gone after this season and it's having a negative impact on his play!! This point i might buy.
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Post by puddin on Mar 27, 2019 20:13:36 GMT -5
The only issue I had with KI's comments is that he said them publicly. But get this straight, his comments were CORRECT. This team IS IMMATURE. And this team is OVER-HYPED. Honestly, Tatum, Brown and Rozier have done NOTHING to warrant their hype. Rozier is on drugs if he thinks he's a starting NBA PG. He has no offensive facilitating skills whatsoever. Cannot effectively run an offense to save his life. Let's not forget, the Celtics went 11 wins and 8 losses in the playoffs last year winning ONLY one road game against seriously FLAWED teams in Milwaukee, Philly and Cleveland. And that immaturity was on display in game 7 of the ECF. The Celtics would have gotten swept just like Cleveland had they gotten to the Finals. KI is young himself so I consider him still learning to be a leader. This is really his first opportunity at being a leader but when you have upstart younger players who you cannot tell anything to because they got to the ECF last year, being a leader becomes more of a challenge. And with all the hype surrounding Tatum, Brown and Rozier, each of their games has regressed a lot. Petey:
That KI would say these things publicly is a HUGE mistake, not to be overlooked or explained away.
If he has issues with his teammates or coaches, he needs to GROW A PAIR and speak privately/confidentially man to man instead of to the media.
That he would go public instead of to his teammates says a whole lot more about Kyrie's character (or lack of) than it does about "his teammates' or coaches' character."
YIKES almighty!!!
Maybe his teammates need to speak publicly about their concerns about KI's immaturity and over-hyped play to see how he would like it.
KI had 3 years in Cleveland running the show before LBJ returned. That was plenty of opportunity to show some leadership.
Did he?
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Post by petey62 on Mar 27, 2019 20:42:42 GMT -5
Pud
Great points as always but I'm not overlooking or explaining anything away. I think I did acknowledge that KI taking his comments public was the only issue I had with them. The CONTEXT of his comments were right on.
I would not call taking his comments public a "HUGE mistake". That's overreacting a bit, in my opinion. It wasn't right but it also wasn't that big a deal either.
And how do we know KI or someone else did not previously speak privately to those they had issues with before going public? How do we know that Rozier, Tatum and Brown, oh, and Smart, just believe their own hype too much to listen to KI?
How can KI say anything to TRoz when he led the Celtics to within one game of the Finals WITHOUT KI? Yet these guys have been making horrible decisions all season with mediocre results.
Again, I'm not advocating KI going public every time he has an issue but, as a leader, sometimes you have to really rock the boat HARD. Being a leader isn't easy and sometimes you rub folks the wrong way. KI was nowhere near being a leader in Cleveland his first 3 years. He hadn't done anything in the NBA to warrant being a leader. He hadn't been through any fires in his first 3 years to lead anyone.
But as a leader myself, the one thing I learned about leadership is in order to lead, you have to have followers who are willing to be led. You'll never lead if those you're trying to lead don't want to be led.
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Post by puddin on Mar 27, 2019 20:57:14 GMT -5
Pud Great points as always but I'm not overlooking or explaining anything away. I think I did acknowledge that KI taking his comments public was the only issue I had with them. The CONTEXT of his comments were right on. I would not call taking his comments public a "HUGE mistake". That's overreacting a bit, in my opinion. It wasn't right but it also wasn't that big a deal either. And how do we know KI or someone else did not previously speak privately to those they had issues with before going public? How do we know that Rozier, Tatum and Brown, oh, and Smart, just believe their own hype too much to listen to KI? How can KI say anything to TRoz when he led the Celtics to within one game of the Finals WITHOUT KI? Yet these guys have been making horrible decisions all season with mediocre results. Again, I'm not advocating KI going public every time he has an issue but, as a leader, sometimes you have to really rock the boat HARD. Being a leader isn't easy and sometimes you rub folks the wrong way. KI was nowhere near being a leader in Cleveland his first 3 years. He hadn't done anything in the NBA to warrant being a leader. He hadn't been through any fires in his first 3 years to lead anyone. But as a leader myself, the one thing I learned about leadership is in order to lead, you have to have followers who are willing to be led. You'll never lead if those you're trying to lead don't want to be led. Or if those you are trying to lead don't respect you.... respect being something you have to earn.
I'm not convinced that KI has done enough to earn their respect.
Going to the media = showboating.
Never an excuse for that.
Pud
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Post by elvissurfs on Mar 27, 2019 23:11:26 GMT -5
The only issue I had with KI's comments is that he said them publicly. But get this straight, his comments were CORRECT. This team IS IMMATURE. And this team is OVER-HYPED. Honestly, Tatum, Brown and Rozier have done NOTHING to warrant their hype. Rozier is on drugs if he thinks he's a starting NBA PG. He has no offensive facilitating skills whatsoever. Cannot effectively run an offense to save his life. Let's not forget, the Celtics went 11 wins and 8 losses in the playoffs last year winning ONLY one road game against seriously FLAWED teams in Milwaukee, Philly and Cleveland. And that immaturity was on display in game 7 of the ECF. The Celtics would have gotten swept just like Cleveland had they gotten to the Finals. KI is young himself so I consider him still learning to be a leader. This is really his first opportunity at being a leader but when you have upstart younger players who you cannot tell anything to because they got to the ECF last year, being a leader becomes more of a challenge. And with all the hype surrounding Tatum, Brown and Rozier, each of their games has regressed a lot. Petey:
That KI would say these things publicly is a HUGE mistake, not to be overlooked or explained away.
If he has issues with his teammates or coaches, he needs to GROW A PAIR and speak privately/confidentially man to man instead of to the media.
That he would go public instead of to his teammates says a whole lot more about Kyrie's character (or lack of) than it does about "his teammates' or coaches' character."
YIKES almighty!!!
Maybe his teammates need to speak publicly about their concerns about KI's immaturity and over-hyped play to see how he would like it.
KI had 3 years in Cleveland running the show before LBJ returned. That was plenty of opportunity to show some leadership.
Did he?
Pud
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Post by elvissurfs on Mar 27, 2019 23:15:15 GMT -5
Pud Great points as always but I'm not overlooking or explaining anything away. I think I did acknowledge that KI taking his comments public was the only issue I had with them. The CONTEXT of his comments were right on. I would not call taking his comments public a "HUGE mistake". That's overreacting a bit, in my opinion. It wasn't right but it also wasn't that big a deal either. And how do we know KI or someone else did not previously speak privately to those they had issues with before going public? How do we know that Rozier, Tatum and Brown, oh, and Smart, just believe their own hype too much to listen to KI? How can KI say anything to TRoz when he led the Celtics to within one game of the Finals WITHOUT KI? Yet these guys have been making horrible decisions all season with mediocre results. Again, I'm not advocating KI going public every time he has an issue but, as a leader, sometimes you have to really rock the boat HARD. Being a leader isn't easy and sometimes you rub folks the wrong way. KI was nowhere near being a leader in Cleveland his first 3 years. He hadn't done anything in the NBA to warrant being a leader. He hadn't been through any fires in his first 3 years to lead anyone. But as a leader myself, the one thing I learned about leadership is in order to lead, you have to have followers who are willing to be led. You'll never lead if those you're trying to lead don't want to be led. Or if those you are trying to lead don't respect you.... respect being something you have to earn.
I'm not convinced that KI has done enough to earn their respect.
Going to the media = showboating.
Never an excuse for that.
Pud
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2019 0:18:30 GMT -5
Pud Great points as always but I'm not overlooking or explaining anything away. I think I did acknowledge that KI taking his comments public was the only issue I had with them. The CONTEXT of his comments were right on. I would not call taking his comments public a "HUGE mistake". That's overreacting a bit, in my opinion. It wasn't right but it also wasn't that big a deal either. And how do we know KI or someone else did not previously speak privately to those they had issues with before going public? How do we know that Rozier, Tatum and Brown, oh, and Smart, just believe their own hype too much to listen to KI? How can KI say anything to TRoz when he led the Celtics to within one game of the Finals WITHOUT KI? Yet these guys have been making horrible decisions all season with mediocre results. Again, I'm not advocating KI going public every time he has an issue but, as a leader, sometimes you have to really rock the boat HARD. Being a leader isn't easy and sometimes you rub folks the wrong way. KI was nowhere near being a leader in Cleveland his first 3 years. He hadn't done anything in the NBA to warrant being a leader. He hadn't been through any fires in his first 3 years to lead anyone. But as a leader myself, the one thing I learned about leadership is in order to lead, you have to have followers who are willing to be led. You'll never lead if those you're trying to lead don't want to be led. Or if those you are trying to lead don't respect you.... respect being something you have to earn.
I'm not convinced that KI has done enough to earn their respect.
Going to the media = showboating.
Never an excuse for that.
Pud
Pud,
Both of you make valid points. But in this case, it is not just about respect. It is more about money. Tatum, Brown and especially Rozier will get a different contract extension if they are viewed as starters vs complimentary players. This is where one has to really appreciate Marcus Smart. He hurt himself punching glass when he got frustrated. But he largely played the way he should play, even though he was in a contract year.
There is a big difference between Morris and these guys. Morris has now been around enough that he gets that he has to perform best, within the system, in order to earn the best next contract. He understands who he is and how far he should reach.
These young guys do not know who they are and are reaching for a bigger role than what they should, even if it may be outside the game plan.
Also, in addition to Petey's point, when the troops are not in line, it is up to the authority figure to bark at them when necessary. I am not sure of what Brad is doing. I had heard about how he used to bark at Evan Turner when ET would fall out of line. Why is he not barking when necessary? Does he see these young guys as too fragile and barking would undermine their confidence? Pop does not mind barking at his players when needed. Why is Brad not doing that?
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Post by puddin on Mar 28, 2019 6:56:53 GMT -5
Or if those you are trying to lead don't respect you.... respect being something you have to earn.
I'm not convinced that KI has done enough to earn their respect.
Going to the media = showboating.
Never an excuse for that.
Pud
Pud,
Both of you make valid points. But in this case, it is not just about respect. It is more about money. Tatum, Brown and especially Rozier will get a different contract extension if they are viewed as starters vs complimentary players. This is where one has to really appreciate Marcus Smart. He hurt himself punching glass when he got frustrated. But he largely played the way he should play, even though he was in a contract year.
There is a big difference between Morris and these guys. Morris has now been around enough that he gets that he has to perform best, within the system, in order to earn the best next contract. He understands who he is and how far he should reach.
These young guys do not know who they are and are reaching for a bigger role than what they should, even if it may be outside the game plan.
Also, in addition to Petey's point, when the troops are not in line, it is up to the authority figure to bark at them when necessary. I am not sure of what Brad is doing. I had heard about how he used to bark at Evan Turner when ET would fall out of line. Why is he not barking when necessary? Does he see these young guys as too fragile and barking would undermine their confidence? Pop does not mind barking at his players when needed. Why is Brad not doing that?
I agree about the need for barking by management including CBS to keep players in line and to make sure that they understand what expectations are.
Long overdue!!
I'm not sure that DA will support CBS if he turns his bark toward particular players, particularly a player like Kyrie looking at greener pastures next season.
(I am also not sure that CBS even has that "barking" quality in him.... but he certainly will need it to survive in the NBA.)
I often wondered why doc would never, ever bark at a clearly defiant R9R to break him of his bad habits and to get him in line. DA would never ever either, afraid of upsetting the Rondo apple cart.
Danny will play favorites and those favorites have included Rondo and likely Kyrie now too.
Pud
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Post by Admin on Mar 28, 2019 8:06:20 GMT -5
Celtics go big in win against Cavaliers After talking about tinkering with the starting lineup, Brad Stevens replaced Marcus Morris with Aron Baynes in Cleveland. By wjsy
Greg M. Cooper-USA TODAY Sports
They weren’t exactly an eleven minutes of electrifying basketball, but they were solid in areas that you’d expect. The Celtics scored 52 points in the paint; for the season, they rank 23rd and average 44.8 PITP. Outside of one long-2, Al Horford scored all of his points in the restricted and finished the night with 19 points on an efficient 7-for-10 from the field. Aron Baynes made his two only shot attempts around the rim and was a plus-8 for the night.
“(Playing with Baynes) helps me a lot. He’s a great defender, always protecting the rim. It was good to play with him and I got to play with him a little more tonight than usual,” Horford said.
With two bigs, spacing isn’t exactly an issue. Baynes flattens out the defensive and pulls Kevin Love to the opposite block of Horford’s roll and Jayson Tatum finds Al for the alley-oop dunk.
Offensively, the Celtics had an anemic 91.3 OffRtg, but were stingy on defense with a 78.3 DefRtg. On Tuesday night, they rough housed with a front line that gave them problems last year in Kevin Love, Tristan Thompson, and Larry Nance Jr., but in the often grit and grind atmosphere of the NBA Playoffs, pairing Horford and Baynes could pay dividends in the playoffs, particularly against potential match ups with Philadelphia (Joel Embiid and Ben Simmons), Milwaukee (Brook Lopez and Giannis Antetokounmpo), and Toronto (Marc Gasol and Pascal Siakam). Size will matter.
After the game, Brad Stevens said, “it will be a game-to-game decision who we start. I told our guys today, we need guys like [Marcus] Morris, who are flexible like that.”
It’s something that he had mentioned after the loss to the Spurs and as everybody starts to get healthy, Stevens will have more combinations to play with. Boston has an interesting scheduling quirk over their final eight games. In addition to the home-and-home with the Miami Heat next week, the Celtics have two remaining games against the Indiana Pacers whom they are chasing for home court advantage and the #4 seed in the East. Indy isn’t particularly big up front, but Stevens could opt to play Horford at the 4 to take advantage of his size. It’ll be an interesting chess match that starts Friday night in Boston in what is arguably their biggest game of the year.
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Post by Admin on Mar 28, 2019 8:09:07 GMT -5
So nice to be able to play Horford at the 4 and have both Baynes & Monroe at 5 ... Theis can even play more 4 where his quickness is an advantage.
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Post by puddin on Mar 28, 2019 8:42:02 GMT -5
Celtics go big in win against Cavaliers After talking about tinkering with the starting lineup, Brad Stevens replaced Marcus Morris with Aron Baynes in Cleveland. By wjsy
Greg M. Cooper-USA TODAY Sports
Holy Moly.... Baynes grew his hair back!!!
Amazin'
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Post by petey62 on Mar 28, 2019 9:19:15 GMT -5
Pud,
Both of you make valid points. But in this case, it is not just about respect. It is more about money. Tatum, Brown and especially Rozier will get a different contract extension if they are viewed as starters vs complimentary players. This is where one has to really appreciate Marcus Smart. He hurt himself punching glass when he got frustrated. But he largely played the way he should play, even though he was in a contract year.
There is a big difference between Morris and these guys. Morris has now been around enough that he gets that he has to perform best, within the system, in order to earn the best next contract. He understands who he is and how far he should reach.
These young guys do not know who they are and are reaching for a bigger role than what they should, even if it may be outside the game plan.
Also, in addition to Petey's point, when the troops are not in line, it is up to the authority figure to bark at them when necessary. I am not sure of what Brad is doing. I had heard about how he used to bark at Evan Turner when ET would fall out of line. Why is he not barking when necessary? Does he see these young guys as too fragile and barking would undermine their confidence? Pop does not mind barking at his players when needed. Why is Brad not doing that?
I agree about the need for barking by management including CBS to keep players in line and to make sure that they understand what expectations are.
Long overdue!!
I'm not sure that DA will support CBS if he turns his bark toward particular players, particularly a player like Kyrie looking at greener pastures next season.
(I am also not sure that CBS even has that "barking" quality in him.... but he certainly will need it to survive in the NBA.)
I often wondered why doc would never, ever bark at a clearly defiant R9R to break him of his bad habits and to get him in line. DA would never ever either, afraid of upsetting the Rondo apple cart.
Danny will play favorites and those favorites have included Rondo and likely Kyrie now too.
Pud
It would not surprise me if part of KI's frustration with trying to lead is with the fact that CBS is not a "barker". Pud, you are right, respect is earned but I think what KI has done in his career commands more respect than what our current Celtics players have done. I also think Doc did not need to bark at R9R cause for most of R9R's productive Celtics years, we had real locker room leadership in KG, PP and Perk. Once those guys left, you just knew R9R's days were numbered in Boston. KI is trying to be a leader in an environment totally devoid of leadership and it's a total mess. A combination of him not being a skill leader, head coach (CBS) not being a NBA-level leader, egos and push back of those desperately needing that leadership, and lack of leadership allies - veterans like Horford and Hayward, all combined, make any attempt at leading quite a challenge with this group. It would have been nice if a vet like Horford or Hayward took a leadership role but they have not and it's understandable why. That's not exactly in their DNA and Hayward is coming off of a season of not even playing. What I do believe is.............if this team goes into the playoffs healthy and committed to playing together, there won't be many teams that can match up to them.
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Post by puddin on Mar 28, 2019 10:19:33 GMT -5
I agree about the need for barking by management including CBS to keep players in line and to make sure that they understand what expectations are.
Long overdue!!
I'm not sure that DA will support CBS if he turns his bark toward particular players, particularly a player like Kyrie looking at greener pastures next season.
(I am also not sure that CBS even has that "barking" quality in him.... but he certainly will need it to survive in the NBA.)
I often wondered why doc would never, ever bark at a clearly defiant R9R to break him of his bad habits and to get him in line. DA would never ever either, afraid of upsetting the Rondo apple cart.
Danny will play favorites and those favorites have included Rondo and likely Kyrie now too.
Pud
It would not surprise me if part of KI's frustration with trying to lead is with the fact that CBS is not a "barker". Pud, you are right, respect is earned but I think what KI has done in his career commands more respect than what our current Celtics players have done. I also think Doc did not need to bark at R9R cause for most of R9R's productive Celtics years, we had real locker room leadership in KG, PP and Perk. Once those guys left, you just knew R9R's days were numbered in Boston. KI is trying to be a leader in an environment totally devoid of leadership and it's a total mess. A combination of him not being a skill leader, head coach (CBS) not being a NBA-level leader, egos and push back of those desperately needing that leadership, and lack of leadership allies - veterans like Horford and Hayward, all combined, make any attempt at leading quite a challenge with this group. It would have been nice if a vet like Horford or Hayward took a leadership role but they have not and it's understandable why. That's not exactly in their DNA and Hayward is coming off of a season of not even playing. What I do believe is.............if this team goes into the playoffs healthy and committed to playing together, there won't be many teams that can match up to them. That Big Three locker room leadership did not necessarily transfer onto the parquet floor.
How many times did we see doc running the sideline, screaming "Push it.... push it..... push it" while Rondo walked the ball up the floor, bored, oblivious to his coach.
Truth is that R9R would fly into a rage and throw things when coaching staff tried to get his attention and redirect him.... or (gasp!!!) bench him.
And Danny boy wasn't blind to all these goings on.
And he isn't blind about the nature of the current deteriorating affairs and fails to provide leadership himself, putting CBS into an untenable position.
At the very least, they need to be doing a good cop-bad cop routine to get players attention.
My guess is that CBS will take the fall for DA.
Pud
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