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Post by hedleylamarr on Apr 18, 2018 15:17:55 GMT -5
Or, as Chris Jericho might say to Hayward.................." You just made the list."
RIP Bruno Sammartino
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Post by Cabutan on Apr 18, 2018 15:36:01 GMT -5
I maintain Leonard is going nowhere. It's all BS, he'll be back in San Antonio. NOT in favor of trading Kyrie. NOT in favor of trading Tatum or Brown. Anyone else is fair game, for the right price.
I also don't think Davis is going anywhere, either. Let's keep who we have and add Hayward and our draft pick, and see where that takes us. I'm excited and optimistic about the future. So, Hayward is on your SELL list ... for a lottery pick? I wouldnt sell Hayward.
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Post by cole on Apr 18, 2018 16:55:30 GMT -5
Brad sure won't.
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Post by kyceltic on Apr 18, 2018 17:16:01 GMT -5
I maintain Leonard is going nowhere. It's all BS, he'll be back in San Antonio. NOT in favor of trading Kyrie. NOT in favor of trading Tatum or Brown. Anyone else is fair game, for the right price. I also don't think Davis is going anywhere, either. Let's keep who we have and add Hayward and our draft pick, and see where that takes us. I'm excited and optimistic about the future. if you were Ainge and the Spurs called and offered Kawhi for Kyrie, what would you do?
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Post by petey62 on Apr 18, 2018 17:32:53 GMT -5
Pud, I like the way Rozier has been playing but Kyrie is on another couple levels from him. I just don't see Rozier developing as the leader-type like Kyrie. There is nobody on the Celtics who can mentor TRoz like Lebron did with Kyrie. You do make a good point with Hayward too. I'm having just a little bit of buyer's remorse on Hayward. Hindsight is 20/20 and as much as I would have called for Danny's head had he not acquired him, I kinda, sorta wish we passed on picking him up last offseason (having nothing to do with his injury). Basically, we got a keeper in Tatum. Had Danny not made a move, we'd be sitting even prettier with as much flexibility and financial flexibility. But oh well. But I could see using Hayward in a trade, but not Kyrie. I don't see all that much leadership in KI. Fantastic to watch... very entertaining.... but inclined to play hero ball. Maybe the leadership we need will come from another player or position. Hard to know the impact that Hayward will have or would have had if he had stayed healthy. In KI's absence, others have flourished..... "homegrown" others. And we all certainly like/love that. Pud KI shows leadership by texting every player before the game to tell them what to expect and how to get through it. KI shows leadership by sitting on the bench and encouraging his teammates. On the court he leads too and sometimes playing hero ball is what's needed. Every Celtic player has, at times, played hero ball (IT last season, Smart early in the season, etc.). I just would not, for one second, remotely conclude that our two games against Milwaukee, AT HOME, is enough of a sample size to start thinking of trading away elite players (elite today). Let's be serious, we have some gems in Rozier, Brown and Tatum, no doubt. But they still have loads of development to do and experience to gain. I honestly don't see their talents being championship caliber, YET. I believe Brown and Tatum have that pedigree (not totally sold on Rozier yet). I think this is going to be a long series and our gifted young guns are going to be challenged on Friday. I think we'll see them level out some and show signs of that inexperience thus validating that Kyrie and Hayward need to maintain their roles on this team. If things look even more promising by next February's trade deadline, then maybe consider trading one of our elite players. But it's way too early to even consider that. Besides, there is no big out there who would be a comparable pick up in exchange for KI or Hayward.
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Post by puddin on Apr 18, 2018 19:11:40 GMT -5
I don't see all that much leadership in KI. Fantastic to watch... very entertaining.... but inclined to play hero ball. Maybe the leadership we need will come from another player or position. Hard to know the impact that Hayward will have or would have had if he had stayed healthy. In KI's absence, others have flourished..... "homegrown" others. And we all certainly like/love that. Pud KI shows leadership by texting every player before the game to tell them what to expect and how to get through it. KI shows leadership by sitting on the bench and encouraging his teammates. On the court he leads too and sometimes playing hero ball is what's needed. Every Celtic player has, at times, played hero ball (IT last season, Smart early in the season, etc.). I just would not, for one second, remotely conclude that our two games against Milwaukee, AT HOME, is enough of a sample size to start thinking of trading away elite players (elite today). Let's be serious, we have some gems in Rozier, Brown and Tatum, no doubt. But they still have loads of development to do and experience to gain. I honestly don't see their talents being championship caliber, YET. I believe Brown and Tatum have that pedigree (not totally sold on Rozier yet). I think this is going to be a long series and our gifted young guns are going to be challenged on Friday. I think we'll see them level out some and show signs of that inexperience thus validating that Kyrie and Hayward need to maintain their roles on this team. If things look even more promising by next February's trade deadline, then maybe consider trading one of our elite players. But it's way too early to even consider that. Besides, there is no big out there who would be a comparable pick up in exchange for KI or Hayward. Petey: Is there any player who might conceivably be available that you would seriously consider trading KI for? Pud
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Post by drboogiebone on Apr 18, 2018 21:18:27 GMT -5
You guys might want to take it easy as far as jumping on this TRo bandwagon after 2 playoff games. Might want to see how he performs deep in the playoffs. That's when you need the guys like Kyrie and Hayward. TRo is a great kid with great energy and work ethic, but still has holes in his game. I can relate to the Kyrie hero ball, but I think having him watch these guys from the sideline over this expanse, will help with that. He's seen these guys quite capable of performing in crunch time just as he can.
After just 2 excitable games, let's not get ahead of ourselves...
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Post by cole on Apr 18, 2018 22:33:28 GMT -5
If the rest of the team is good enough... The spurs won with Avery Johnson. We won with Rondo second year.
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Post by elvissurfs on Apr 18, 2018 23:34:33 GMT -5
I, Petey62, hereby rescind all previous comments relating to the Celtics ACQUIRING Kawhi Leonard. All other comments relating to Leonard are unchanged. He is an elite player. When healthy, Leonard is a top 5 player in the NBA (Durant, Lebron, Davis, Leonard, Curry/Kyrie). As great a player as Leonard is, I DON'T WANT HIM. I wish him all the best in his future endeavors but the Celtics would be extremely wise to STAY THE COURSE with the current core. I would NEVER put together a package of two of Rozier, Smart, Brown or Tatum for Kawhi. I just would not do it. I do realize that there is a very high probability that two (or three) of those guys will not be long-term Celtics. There is no way the Celtics can retain Kyrie, Jaylen, Tatum, Rozier, Smart and Hayward. You can make a strong argument that five of those six players are legitimate starters in the NBA. Kyrie, Brown and Hayward stay because they are the starting wing players of the future for the Cs. Tatum stays as a backup which would provide him with more opportunity to develop behind Hayward. Personally, I'd prefer to keep Rozier and package Smart this offseason for a big. Can you imagine a game next season with the Celtics going small with Kyrie, Brown, Hayward, Tatum and Rozier (or Morris)? Petey has spoken...digest that...seriously...
not liking him saying that Tatum will work as a backup for a while...but perhaps another Petey comment that will come true, and perhaps should be...
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Post by elvissurfs on Apr 19, 2018 8:29:26 GMT -5
I maintain Leonard is going nowhere. It's all BS, he'll be back in San Antonio. NOT in favor of trading Kyrie. NOT in favor of trading Tatum or Brown. Anyone else is fair game, for the right price. I also don't think Davis is going anywhere, either. Let's keep who we have and add Hayward and our draft pick, and see where that takes us. I'm excited and optimistic about the future. I was in the same camp that Leonard was not leaving SA until the last round of thinly veiled comments from Pop, may his wife rest in peace...
And I agree, Davis aint leaving NO...
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Post by elvissurfs on Apr 19, 2018 8:30:45 GMT -5
btw Sox are 15-2, what the heck is that all about?...heading to that board next....
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Post by petey62 on Apr 19, 2018 9:58:26 GMT -5
KI shows leadership by texting every player before the game to tell them what to expect and how to get through it. KI shows leadership by sitting on the bench and encouraging his teammates. On the court he leads too and sometimes playing hero ball is what's needed. Every Celtic player has, at times, played hero ball (IT last season, Smart early in the season, etc.). I just would not, for one second, remotely conclude that our two games against Milwaukee, AT HOME, is enough of a sample size to start thinking of trading away elite players (elite today). Let's be serious, we have some gems in Rozier, Brown and Tatum, no doubt. But they still have loads of development to do and experience to gain. I honestly don't see their talents being championship caliber, YET. I believe Brown and Tatum have that pedigree (not totally sold on Rozier yet). I think this is going to be a long series and our gifted young guns are going to be challenged on Friday. I think we'll see them level out some and show signs of that inexperience thus validating that Kyrie and Hayward need to maintain their roles on this team. If things look even more promising by next February's trade deadline, then maybe consider trading one of our elite players. But it's way too early to even consider that. Besides, there is no big out there who would be a comparable pick up in exchange for KI or Hayward. Petey: Is there any player who might conceivably be available that you would seriously consider trading KI for? Pud Pud, first off, "available" is the key word. There won't be anyone available that I'd consider trading KI for? Second, who I would consider trading KI for would be an extremely short list of players. The only player would be Anthony Davis. I say that because it would make no sense to trade KI for another PG, SG or SF because we're totally set there. I honestly cannot think of a PF that would make sense either. The perfect scenario would be, for example, KI to Memphis for the Marc Gasol of 3-4 years ago but, with the way the league is changing to more small ball, I'm not certain of that trade. Again, the only trade that I'd make with KI would be Davis. We really don't need Durant or Curry or Klay or Cousins or Kawhi or George or Butler. Looking back, we really did not need to acquire Hayward last offseason, with the way Tatum is playing. Pud, what players would YOU consider trading KI for?
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Post by hedleylamarr on Apr 19, 2018 10:15:17 GMT -5
I maintain Leonard is going nowhere. It's all BS, he'll be back in San Antonio. NOT in favor of trading Kyrie. NOT in favor of trading Tatum or Brown. Anyone else is fair game, for the right price. I also don't think Davis is going anywhere, either. Let's keep who we have and add Hayward and our draft pick, and see where that takes us. I'm excited and optimistic about the future. if you were Ainge and the Spurs called and offered Kawhi for Kyrie, what would you do? I would pass with just that deal. We have Brown, Tatum and Hayward. And that would leave us with only Rozier as our PG. They would want more than Kyrie, and I don't think they are trading at all.
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Post by puddin on Apr 19, 2018 10:53:32 GMT -5
Petey: Is there any player who might conceivably be available that you would seriously consider trading KI for? Pud Pud, first off, "available" is the key word. There won't be anyone available that I'd consider trading KI for? Second, who I would consider trading KI for would be an extremely short list of players. The only player would be Anthony Davis. I say that because it would make no sense to trade KI for another PG, SG or SF because we're totally set there. I honestly cannot think of a PF that would make sense either. The perfect scenario would be, for example, KI to Memphis for the Marc Gasol of 3-4 years ago but, with the way the league is changing to more small ball, I'm not certain of that trade. Again, the only trade that I'd make with KI would be Davis. We really don't need Durant or Curry or Klay or Cousins or Kawhi or George or Butler. Looking back, we really did not need to acquire Hayward last offseason, with the way Tatum is playing. Pud, what players would YOU consider trading KI for? Petey: My list is as short as yours.... AD... who is conceivably available. Cousins... definitely no! Except for a big, we seem to have all the bases covers... and some. Beyond that, I might be tempted to look at trading him for a cluster of future draft picks.... although I don't pretend to know enough about the trade machine and salary matches. HELP SOMEONE!!!!... I'm lost! I understand that this next year's draft is loaded with bigs. I remember when AD was coming out of college, there were lots of discussions about trading any/all members of our Big 4 for rights to him. Lets trade KI for either AD or for the next likely AD on the way to the NBA. Pud
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Post by petey62 on Apr 19, 2018 11:30:25 GMT -5
I agree, it's got to be someone like AD or AD himself. That's my first issue.
My second issue with trading KI is that I have doubts that Rozier can play at this level for a full season.
I am not sure having a PG trio of Rozier, Smart and Larkin is of championship material.
TRoz has filled in admirably in KI's absences but, long term, that's a whole different story.
It's funny how TRoz and Tatum have become WAY TOO GOOD and it already presents a problem. It would so perfect if KI, Brown, Rozier, Smart and Larkin could all work together long term. Wishful thinking. We'll have issues with Tatum and Hayward. Tatum has to believe that he is an NBA starter right now. Tatum is not a bench performer so it'll be interesting next season.
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Post by puddin on Apr 19, 2018 11:48:07 GMT -5
I agree, it's got to be someone like AD or AD himself. That's my first issue. My second issue with trading KI is that I have doubts that Rozier can play at this level for a full season. I am not sure having a PG trio of Rozier, Smart and Larkin is of championship material. TRoz has filled in admirably in KI's absences but, long term, that's a whole different story. It's funny how TRoz and Tatum have become WAY TOO GOOD and it already presents a problem. It would so perfect if KI, Brown, Rozier, Smart and Larkin could all work together long term. Wishful thinking. We'll have issues with Tatum and Hayward. Tatum has to believe that he is an NBA starter right now. Tatum is not a bench performer so it'll be interesting next season. I had serious doubts that TRo could play at this level.... PERIOD. He's shown me a lot of talent/swag that I was convinced simply didn't exist. Can he do it for a full season? Stay tuned. Tatum could easily be a McHale type 6th man for a season or two. That's Celtic franchise tradition.... that in addition to being loaded with talent. Pud
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Post by hedleylamarr on Apr 19, 2018 16:23:48 GMT -5
AD said today he's very happy in New Orleans and thinks that even though it's a small market, he can win there. So, unless they decide on a rebuild, which is unlikely, he's probably not walking through that door.
And, I remind all of us here that Kawhi has one more year on his deal. Rumor has it, he wants to return "home" to LA, and I'd hate to package a bunch of prospects and picks for a one year rental
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Post by puddin on Apr 19, 2018 18:10:23 GMT -5
AD said today he's very happy in New Orleans and thinks that even though it's a small market, he can win there. So, unless they decide on a rebuild, which is unlikely, he's probably not walking through that door. And, I remind all of us here that Kawhi has one more year on his deal. Rumor has it, he wants to return "home" to LA, and I'd hate to package a bunch of prospects and picks for a one year rental The obvious poetic question..... Why Kawhi? Pud
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Post by elvissurfs on Apr 19, 2018 21:00:22 GMT -5
AD said today he's very happy in New Orleans and thinks that even though it's a small market, he can win there. So, unless they decide on a rebuild, which is unlikely, he's probably not walking through that door. And, I remind all of us here that Kawhi has one more year on his deal. Rumor has it, he wants to return "home" to LA, and I'd hate to package a bunch of prospects and picks for a one year rental I agree...Leonard is going to the Lakers....
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Post by kyceltic on Apr 19, 2018 21:18:22 GMT -5
I agree, it's got to be someone like AD or AD himself. That's my first issue. My second issue with trading KI is that I have doubts that Rozier can play at this level for a full season. I am not sure having a PG trio of Rozier, Smart and Larkin is of championship material. TRoz has filled in admirably in KI's absences but, long term, that's a whole different story. It's funny how TRoz and Tatum have become WAY TOO GOOD and it already presents a problem. It would so perfect if KI, Brown, Rozier, Smart and Larkin could all work together long term. Wishful thinking. We'll have issues with Tatum and Hayward. Tatum has to believe that he is an NBA starter right now. Tatum is not a bench performer so it'll be interesting next season. I had serious doubts that TRo could play at this level.... PERIOD. He's shown me a lot of talent/swag that I was convinced simply didn't exist. Can he do it for a full season? Stay tuned. Tatum could easily be a McHale type 6th man for a season or two. That's Celtic franchise tradition.... View Attachmentthat in addition to being loaded with talent. Pud kyrie, Brown, Hayward, Tatum and Horford!!
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Post by cole on Apr 19, 2018 21:32:45 GMT -5
To me that's a championship caliber starting lineup, esp if the jays improve any at all next year.
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